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<BarrettBrown>Also, Nick, can you make sure that a transcript of what he's missed
<BarrettBrown>oh, nevermind, Tim's here
<DynamicUno>Evening
<BarrettBrown>Tim, meet Gregg Housh and Kenneth Lipp
<Emma>and me
<DynamicUno>Hello Gregg and Kenneth
<DynamicUno>And Emma
<Emma>hello
<kenkogni>hello
<projectpmbot>hola
<BarrettBrown>link regarding former: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/8/927135/-Anonymous-launches-new-Wikileaks-defense-effort
<Xphox>Hey Tim!
<DynamicUno>Ahh excellent
<DynamicUno>Hey Nick!
<BarrettBrown>link regarding latter: http://cultureisaweapon.blogspot.com/2010/12/this-post-is-dedicated-to-friend-who.html
<c0sfreenode>Hello Tim
<BarrettBrown>Nick can hopefully provide you with a transcript thus far but we really only went over general stuff anyway
<DynamicUno>Alright sounds good
<BarrettBrown>Okay, Dr. Lipp, would you like to introduce yourself?
<Xphox>Tim I've emailed you the transcript to NC address.
<Emma>KENNETH
<DynamicUno>Thanks Nick
<kenkogni>ywa
<kenkogni>Hi, my name is Kenneth, that or Ken will do. Unless dissenting, then Sir Dr. Ken.
<Emma>not a Sir yet Sir Ken
<BarrettBrown>Thanks. Tell everyone your general background and then a summary of First Praxis.
<Emma>in your own time
<scottNY>and no fancy speak please :)
<BarrettBrown>you have five seconds
<kenkogni>I'm an ethologist at Darwin College, studying behavioural correlates in prosian genetics
<Emma>yay!
<BarrettBrown>That was close, almost had to shoot the first hostage
<Emma>lol
<kenkogni>I've forgotten english for a moment
<BarrettBrown>Now, First Praxis summary, please. They also have a link to your announcement.
<Emma>what does prosian mean Dr Kenneth?
<BarrettBrown>prosimian
<kenkogni>It means shut up\
<BarrettBrown>or that
<kenkogni>Thank you , Barrett.
<Emma>how rude
<Emma>I shall google then
<scottNY>kenkogni: thanks for using simple words :)
<lfzr>hey all
<kenkogni>No problem, much time everyday with tarsiers
* lfzrtips hat
<Emma>hello
<DynamicUno>Hey Sundeep, Sir Dr. Ken was just introducing himself and First Praxis
<scottNY>Emma: can you let me know what ethologist and prosian are?
<Emma>are you 13 yet?
<lfzr>almost
<lfzr>2 more days
<BarrettBrown>Everyone, lfzr is Sundeep, a brilliant young programmer
<BarrettBrown>... who is heavily involved in creating our software
<Emma>yes I am writing a paper on it and will present it at the next meeting
<scottNY>Emma: please include tarsiers
<kenkogni>Hello.
<projectpmbot>what's up
<Emma>I intend to
<kenkogni>She will
<BarrettBrown>Sundeep, this Dr. Kenneth Lipp, whose African health development project will be powered to some degree by the software you're building
<lfzr>not brilliant, but the rest is accurate ;) lol
<lfzr>hello Kenneth
<scottNY>concur with programmer and young ;)
<lfzr>nice to meet you :)
<scottNY>jk
<kenkogni>Tarsiers are haplorrhini primates.
<Emma>oh you
<BarrettBrown>Like all programmers, Sundeep is of Indian descent and 11 years old.
<lfzr>9 to be accurate
<Emma>lol
<kenkogni>Knew that
<BarrettBrown>When he turns 15 he'll be shuttled off to medical school in an ancient Hindu ceremony
<Emma>shuttled
<scottNY>ahh, well kenkogni, haplorrhini, that explains it
<BarrettBrown>Seriously, though, let's hear about First Praxis
<scottNY>firefox doesn't even recognize it as a word
<lfzr>hahaha
<lfzr>med school sounds boring
<lfzr>anyway lets get on to the good stuff
<Emma>teh girls
<lfzr>ofc
<scottNY>teh?
<lfzr>canuck speak
<kenkogni>it's like a squirrel. k?
<scottNY>ok squirrels i know
<kenkogni>monkey squirrel
<scottNY>another time then
<scottNY>kenkogni: I think BarrettBrown wants you to talk about First Praxis.
<kenkogni>I have a blog on it. Very confused
<BarrettBrown>Just give us a quick summary
<Emma>PLEASE
<Emma>NOW
<BarrettBrown>They'll see the blog, but can you tell us a bit about what it is and how you'll be going about it so that we can better decide how to assist you?
<kenkogni>Praxis is an effort to use global networking to increase international health outcomes
<kenkogni>"praxis" is jp sartres fave term
<Emma>so read the blog :)
<kenkogni>it means the comprehensive state of things, bound by our objectification of the subjective. Praxis has as it's goa
<kenkogni>hush, you're throwing me off
<scottNY>sounds specific ;)
<c0sfreenode>I do believe a big LET THE MAN SPEAK is in order here.
<scottNY>touchr
<scottNY>touche
<kenkogni>Yes, and some physical assistanc
<scottNY>kindly continue
<Emma>or unkindly
<kenkogni>We connect researchers/clinicians/social activists in strategic locations, focused on Latin America, Africa, and Southeast Asia\
<kenkogni>scott, Latin America isn like regular but without haplorrhini
<BarrettBrown>I'm sorry, have a phone call I absolutely have to take, please continue without me for about ten minutes
<DynamicUno>Carry on Ken, and let us know when you'd like to yield the floor to comments please.
<c0sfreenode>kenkogni: so whats the big goal, what do you tell a reporter looking for a quote/snippit that really explains this to lay people?
<scottNY>kenkogni: Clark and I have emailed with the owner of a website which at quick glance looks more domestic than International but her goals is to be a broker amongst nonprofit organizations highlighting them on an individual basis with the hope of connecting interested persons/organizations.
<scottNY>http://nonprofitawareness.blogspot.com/
<scottNY>You should check it out.
<c0sfreenode>I have a domain that I was going to do something similar with, I have just been to busy
<kenkogni>@cosfreenode: The neolithic demoralisation still rampant in the developing world is not a geographically bound pestilence. Lack of education at the local level (on up) regarding issues like basic perinatal care , AIDs, etc. is the factor preventing most regions from expanding their potential beyond the post-colonial static turmoil
<kenkogni>sorry, had to go push a cat off the window ledge
<kenkogni>I think it was really a squirrel, though
<c0sfreenode>kenkogni: thats perfect
<scottNY>haplorrhini?
<scottNY>kenkogni: I believe you became aware of it through Emma but I have an indirect connection with the owners/operators of lifeformothers.org
<kenkogni>haplorrhini is the linnaean and cladistic designation for T. tarsius, as well as 9 other subspecific, bug-eyed, leapin little squirrel monkeys
<scottNY>above my pay grade
<scottNY>no more squirrel jokes for me
<DynamicUno>lol
<kenkogni>Below my gay parade
<scottNY>punny
<kenkogni>(confess: read yours as "gay parade" 1st)
<scottNY>Freudian eyes I guess
<DynamicUno>Ken - obviously digital infrastructure is a problem in places where First Praxis is likely to be operating. How do you envision translating to a real-world implementation?
<kenkogni>I'd love to connect further with lifeformother
<scottNY>Okay we can exchange further via email.
<scottNY>I'd like to have a better understanding before I reach out
<kenkogni>@scott: thx, Emma will probably want to be cc'd. anyone who wants more info or to berate me on related/unrelated matters, feel free
<kenkogni>I will prepare a more specific operative explanation
<kenkogni>@Dynamic: Do you mean like on the tribe-village level?
<c0sfreenode>Just to toss it out there for thoughts, I own 0v.org, nice short domain (zero v) One of the few 2 character domains. I was going to put up a site named Zero Visibility. With the goal of highlighting non-profits that werent getting enough attention, a new group of 6 each month
<DynamicUno>Generally yes; information-transmission is the critical component, but without the digital tools we take for granted, information transmission is no mean feat
<c0sfreenode>I just dont have the time lately to even think about it.
<kenkogni>I already know that I don't know the answer.
<DynamicUno>That's fair
<scottNY>lol @ kenkogni
<scottNY>DynamicUno: Great question though! :)
<kenkogni>@cosfreenode-willchk
<kenkogni>Dynamo
<c0sfreenode>the site isnt up.
<kenkogni>I will be in Malawi in February in Lilongwe and venturing to villages along the lake and into the bush
<c0sfreenode>ill put the basic demo back up shortly.
<Emma>perhaps we could do csomething with the Ov.org domain ? and yes please CC me in ScottNY
<c0sfreenode>just a thought
<c0sfreenode>its a neat domain and I have it and as of yet am not using it for my idea
<Emma>its a very neat domain
<kenkogni>@DynamicUno: I hope to find atmanageable spoke points for prepaid wireless
<DynamicUno>Hmm that's a thought
<kenkogni>Or rhinos
<kenkogni>I want a rhino
<DynamicUno>Well if you're collecting them please bring one back for me
<DynamicUno>I'd like to see customs try to put that through an x-ray scanner
<Emma>lol
<kenkogni>How silly! How would I ever get TWO rhinos thru customs?
<kenkogni>@Emma: not a word
<Emma>Emma is my name
<kenkogni>It's a very neat domain
<BarrettBrown>okay, I'm back, will review what I missed right quick
<Emma>what can we do with it?
<Emma>too good an opportunity to miss I feel
<DynamicUno>Tangent - Sundeep and Nick, can you two link up (via email or another time on IRC) with Campbell to go over the hosting solutions?
<DynamicUno>Nick I know you have to depart shortly
<DynamicUno>so I'd like to resolve that briefly before we go on
<scottNY>In the interest of a resemblance of structure, I think it would be helpful for all participants if kenkogni wrote up as c0sfreenode put it, a snippet/blurb that explains First Praxis (hopefully as dumb downed for me as possible).
<scottNY>This will allow everyone to come to a conclusion as to the best fit.
<scottNY>Thanks DynamicUno for staying on top of things! You da' man!
<c0sfreenode>yes, light on the 4 syllable words
<DynamicUno>@ScottNY hehe yeah I'm getting the hang of this "organized" thing
<scottNY>It goes without saying that there clearly is a fit btwn PPM and First Praxis.
<Xphox>I am available most days M-F after 7PM EST for chatting, or we can exchange emails 24/7.
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: Have you heard word from any of the programmers you sent the programmer questionnaire to?
<DynamicUno>Scott, we have received one response
<BarrettBrown>Those responses go to Tim
<DynamicUno>Joe Neal
<BarrettBrown>He's received at least one, I know
<BarrettBrown>There you go
<DynamicUno>It was EXTREMELY detailed
<scottNY>DynamicUno, Xphox, lfzr since Campbell's schedule is erratic, it may make sense to pick a set time to talk, IMHO.
<scottNY>lol
<BarrettBrown>If we need more, I can get more this week
<DynamicUno>He filled out the chart, then wrote a resume lol
<BarrettBrown>lol
<c0sfreenode>BarrettBrown: you know the site curated.by, relatively new site thats got a lot of press attention?
<Emma>this is funny why?
<scottNY>Got to appreciate the attention to detail ;)
<DynamicUno>ScottNY, that's a good idea - Nick, I'm not sure if Sundeep is watching closely right now but I will have him email you
<DynamicUno>Emma - it's not funny, we were laughing at you
<Emma>lol#
<BarrettBrown>yesterday a Phd candidate from Berkley, physicist, tried to send me his resume and offered to get a letter from his doctoral advisor or whatever
<scottNY>lfzr: you around?
<BarrettBrown>I didn't have the heart to tell him I didn't really graduate high school
<lfzr>hey yea doing a bit of multitasking here
<lfzr>lemme read a bit
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: Do you know offhand who/how many people you sent the programmer email to?
<BarrettBrown>It was about six or seven, I think, let me look
<scottNY>lfzr: DynamicUno is going to try to setup a meeting with you guys and Campbell and Xphox (Nick)
<kenkogni>Should I do something to help support the conversation? Punctuate, or something?
<lfzr>yea sounds good
<kenkogni>I'll be subtext:)
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: Would you be opposed to either DynamicUno or I, following-up with those individuals next week simply asking if they've received your email?
<BarrettBrown>it was 11
<BarrettBrown>11 programmers
<scottNY>oh wow!
<BarrettBrown>not at all, Scott
<Emma>I would
<BarrettBrown>if you're "wowing" the number, remember that not all of these will follow through
<scottNY>Ok, BarrettBrown, if you can email at least one of us the list of people that would help our efforts.
<Emma>I am opposed
<BarrettBrown>but getting more programmers who are dedicated is no problem
<BarrettBrown>okay, I'll forward it to you now, Scott
<redproph1t>I'm sorry to interrupt
<lfzr>we can probably get started on the development side once we get a nice roster finished
<redproph1t>but I haven't had the chance to fill that out
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: I understand, hopefully we won't have to dig into the well, but we never know.
<DynamicUno>Hello Gus, welcome. No problem, we expected a certain amount of delay
<redproph1t>I've been reading while doing work
<scottNY>redproph1t: do you have a copy of the most recent survey/questionnaire?
<redproph1t>I think I filled something out similar ages ago
<DynamicUno>Yes, back when we were in the yes/no format
<Xphox>DynamicUno: As a side thought, if multiple people are willing to host for you, you could technically setup a round-robbin DNS to bounce the load between multiple hosting providers. (Remind me of that when we meet) :P
<BarrettBrown>also, can someone please send me transcript of this entire meeting when we're done so I can forward to Barry Eisler, Robert Green, and my other people?
<DynamicUno>Ok thanks Nick
<BarrettBrown>I don't know how to do it with this wacky IRC client
<scottNY>redproph1t: we've updated the survey to include level of expertise, as this will help us greatly rather than a simply yes/no response
<kenkogni>@all:
<scottNY>Xphox: I like where you're going with this!
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: Has Campbell give you singingsite access?
<kenkogni>lovely to meet, will send that snippet this evening before bed
<redproph1t>honestly, a good programmer will be able to pick up whatever is used
<c0sfreenode>Emma: since you seemed interested 0v.org is up
<scottNY>thanks kenkogni!
<Emma>thank you I am
<c0sfreenode>Emma: http://0v.org/
<c0sfreenode>that was the idea
<DynamicUno>Thanks Ken, have a good night
<scottNY>redproph1t: I'm not knowledgeable enough about programming to comment, but I imagine some people may be more experts in certain fields than others, but WTFDIK.
<scottNY>goodnight kenkogni
<Emma>c0sfreenode I love it
<BarrettBrown>Ken, you out?
<BarrettBrown>Let's try to chat tomorrow
<kenkogni>goodnight, i apologise for my poor mobility in this medium
<kenkogni>@BarrettBrown: no, but now reading
<BarrettBrown>Takes getting used to, you did fine
<kenkogni>Take it away, will plat ctxt clues game
<BarrettBrown>One, two, three, four, I declare a cyberwar
<c0sfreenode>Emma: that was the idea. just no time to actually get it going, so much other stuff keeps coming up
<scottNY>sneak attack
<c0sfreenode>I have a friend whose brother is actually on the security team at paypal
<scottNY>ok so we got kenkogni providing a snippet soon, Tim is going to setup meeting about hosting, Tim and I will follow-up with programmers
<c0sfreenode>he got word to me that they brought in 2 different outside security companies today
<Emma>I love the idea of highlighting lesser known non profits
<c0sfreenode>to help beef things up
<DynamicUno>Alright, Nick Xphox, you can go ahead and eat now that your shift is done, Sundeep lfzr I am sending out an email now between you two to organize a meeting, preferably with Campbell as well
<c0sfreenode>Emma: but if we could use the domain for something related to this project I would be up for that
<Emma>ha this cyber attacking is just fantatsic
<lfzr>sounds good DynamicUno :)
<c0sfreenode>as I think it might be about another year before I could really focus on something like that project idea thats up right now
<scottNY>ok not to digress, but BarrettBrown do you want to talk about the probationary period, or wait for Campbell's input as well?
<BarrettBrown>Oh, yeah, lets
<BarrettBrown>Tell me a bit about the purpose again, just so everyone will know
<scottNY>lfzr: Are you here for feedback as well?
<scottNY>The goal is to enact another tool to ensure quality
<Emma>cOsfreenode my email emilieduchatelet8@gmail.com - I would like to do something with it
<lfzr>don't want to spam but this is from campbell's reply
<lfzr>Sundeep and I had discussed a probationary period, wherein your inviting blogger's reputation score would reflect the quality of the invitee's posts. We considered this to be a very powerful way to ensure that quality begets quality. People on probation don't necessarily see any disadvantage in this situation, so I don't understand how this could be a disincentive to join.
<scottNY>The means is to have individuals invited to PPM to be endorsed by their invitor for a period of time such that the person doing the inviting is affected by the works of the invited person.
<lfzr>yea so the invitor is responsible for who they invite
<scottNY>lol @ lfzr copying and pasting
<BarrettBrown>okay, put that way, this sounds a lot better than it did originally
<BarrettBrown>Go ahead and keep it in, then
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: the person is relived from this probationary period once they've achieved certain quality metrics i.e. well received
<BarrettBrown>Okay
<scottNY>ok
<DynamicUno>That sounds reasonable
<BarrettBrown>If you and Campbell and everyone will be meeting, let me know so I can join if I have time
<DynamicUno>The metrics will be fairly arbitrary, no way around that
<DynamicUno>but thta's ok
<lfzr>true
* Xphoxwaves - Tim I'll be waiting for your email, or call/txt/PR me if a rush.
<BarrettBrown>Thanks for joining us, Nick
<BarrettBrown>And for all your help
<Xphox>No problem BarrettBrown
<DynamicUno>Sounds good Nick, thanks, I'm sending the email out now
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<scottNY>DynamicUno: We're trying to come up with an array of metrics, we figure let's collect as much info as possible and adjust accordingly.
<DynamicUno>That sounds good. We can adjust on the fly I'm sure
<c0sfreenode>Do you have a list of any example metrics?
<c0sfreenode>word count? total views? unique views? rating with a star system?
<DynamicUno>Alright, Sundeep I am sending out an email to you, Nick, and Campbell re: hosting, you can just hit reply all to carry on the conversation
<DynamicUno>Number of pushes I imagine
<scottNY>c0sfreenode: we've decided not to include views
<c0sfreenode>just thinking from a security/gaming standpoint
<lfzr># of pushes to number of submitted articles
<scottNY>DynamicUno: correct, but number of pushes as it relates to number of posts
<scottNY>plus time weighted
<lfzr>yes
<c0sfreenode>always have to make sure that the metrics for that arent "game-able"
<DynamicUno>Right
<BarrettBrown>Gregg, also, DynamicUno = Tim Ellis, who as I mentioned is taking over Sean's work
<c0sfreenode>ahh
<scottNY>c0sfreenode: feedback on current metrics would be appreciated. Although we try to think of these things, I can't speak for anyone else but this is my first time concocting such a system.
<scottNY>another metric is penetration (hold your laughs
<lfzr>im not so sure that the probation period is effective at stopping spam
<scottNY>which measures how deep a single post goes in terms of levels
<c0sfreenode>we tried to come up with some stuff in the past with other anon projects, nothing that ever ended up live, but I remember the lengthy discussions we had
<lfzr>ex. blogger A invites spammer B
<lfzr>spammer B gets out of the probationary period
<lfzr>by submitting good posts bla bla
<scottNY>lfzr: there certainly will be a biases associated with it, but I still feel it's a smart idea to prevent consequences of poor decision making
<lfzr>so then spammer B invites his friend spammer C
<scottNY>lfzr: no arguments here
<scottNY>it's one of many tools
<lfzr>spammer C can now spam all they want, as spammer B doesn't really care about endorsing spammer C's posts
<lfzr>hmm
<lfzr>ok
<BarrettBrown>Oh, Gregg, let me give you links regarding the schematic in general
<BarrettBrown>http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2010/12/02/the-project-pm-schematic/
<c0sfreenode>yeah
<BarrettBrown>That link should do it, actually
<lfzr>there has to definetly be some manual checking of accounts
<lfzr>i guess thats up to the admins/mods
<c0sfreenode>ok
<scottNY>lfzr: BarrettBrown something that I don't remember if we did/didn't discuss is controlling one's ability to invite people based on quality metrics
<BarrettBrown>includes link to our new wiki, which currently has a written account of the schematic
<c0sfreenode>ill catch up on that
<BarrettBrown>Scott - that's something we need to talk about soon
<scottNY>lfzr: we're going to utilize a moderation system similar to karma that Campbell has referred to in the past
<lfzr>BarrettBrown, want to point the domain to the wiki for now and we can point it to the actual site later?
<DynamicUno>Barrett, I'm afraid that link is broken
<lfzr>lfzr: yea reddit's system is quite intuitive
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: DynamicUno is setting up a meeting with you guys and Sundeep, Campbell and Nick to discuss hosting solutions. Do you want to add to that meeting or create a new one?
<lfzr>*i mean scottNY
<lfzr>i highlighted myself lol
<scottNY>I imagine a new, different meeting may be preferable.
<c0sfreenode>yeah BarrettBrown, 404
<DynamicUno>I think you're right scott, a second meeting will be bettetr
<BarrettBrown>try it again, The League is undergoing renovations
<BarrettBrown>this happened with other posts earlioer
<c0sfreenode>same
<scottNY>DynamicUno: have you already sent out that email?
<BarrettBrown>okay, one sec
<BarrettBrown>link to video presentation I made the other day
<BarrettBrown>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl88VHg_UA&feature=player_embedded
<DynamicUno>Not yet, I can still modify ti
<BarrettBrown>link to written version
<Emma>try the link - I think its working now
<BarrettBrown>http://projectpm.thepdl.co.cc/index.php/Main_Page
<BarrettBrown>yeah, ordinary gentlemen link should be back up
<lfzr>scottNY: i think invites should be limited and be handed out manually at start, we can setup and tweak automated systems as needed later on
<lfzr>what do you think?
<scottNY>lfzr: I think that's a good idea, but we should try to think of some sort of system to start with, rather than introducing later on.
<lfzr>true
<scottNY>We simply can ignore the system in the beginning if we don't like it which will allow us to properly tweak it.
<BarrettBrown>yeah, none of this is set in stone even after networks go live
<scottNY>DynamicUno: You think you can include the second meeting (it may make sense to ask people for four times that they're available)
<DynamicUno>I can do that - just so I'm clear, I'm asking for a second meeting (or really a first one, since the hosting I feel can be handled via email alone) regarding the initial probationary period
<DynamicUno>and moderation/karma system
<DynamicUno>Yes?
<lfzr>in terms of the gathering of stats, we'll probably need a whole meeting to discuss what kinds of things should be recorded, privacy concerns etc.
<lfzr>yes
<DynamicUno>Ok
<lfzr>can you add stats to that?
<scottNY>DynamicUno: If the hosting problem can be solved through email, then yes meeting not necessary.
<Emma>I think I need to be flown out to the States
<DynamicUno>ScottNY - I think I may simply send out two emails so that the two topics dont' get conjoined in the hosting email chain
<scottNY>DynamicUno: as you and lfzr said we need a meeting to primarily discuss privacy and how inviting is going to work.
<lfzr>yea hosting should probably be separate
<scottNY>DynamicUno: I think we've sorted out the probationary period issue.
<DynamicUno>Ok
<lfzr>i doubt any of you want to be bored with that stuff
<BarrettBrown>anyone here in New York and want to go to John Penley's house party on the 18th?
<DynamicUno>Privacy and invitation, and statistics
<scottNY>DynamicUno: Two emails are fine.
<BarrettBrown>He invited me but I'm in Dallas now
<scottNY>lfzr: We'll it would be super cool if we could do load balancing ;)
<DynamicUno>Barrett, I'm throwing a party on December 18th in Toronto
<DynamicUno>Busy day it seems
<scottNY>John would be?
<lfzr>scottNY, im not sure if we'll need any of that for some time, but yes that would be slick :)
<BarrettBrown>God, I'd love to go to one of your parties
<BarrettBrown>John Penley is a longtime activist of the old-school sort who introduced me to Patty Smith and Bob Geldof a while back
<BarrettBrown>Interested in PM but I don't want him associated with it
<DynamicUno>I'll leave hosting for Nick, Sundeep, Campbell and myself as moderator, and include Sundeep, Campbell, Barrett, and Scott with the meeting re: invites etc
<scottNY>Sounds good :)
<DynamicUno>Barrett, you'll catch one of our shows I'm sure
<DynamicUno>I'm in periodic talks with a Texas based group, I may play down there sometime
<lfzr>sounds good Tim :)
<Emma>lets all go
<scottNY>This is a Google image that came up when i Googled John Penley: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_10t1glapeaw/SX2Y4stkTjI/AAAAAAAAHi0/-JzDEuHNWO0/s400/L1000387.jpg&imgrefurl=http://neithermorenorless.blogspot.com/2009/01/birthday-number-76-for-ray-big-party.html&h=291&w=400&sz=32&tbnid=T-nqYsLzh5Lh6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BPenley&zoom=1&q=John+Penle
<scottNY>y&usg=__uyLeHj1HdcfEBJLLxfbseUeX7Cc=&sa=X&ei=PS8ATeK1OMSp8AaV0KTNBw&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBA
<scottNY>http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_10t1glapeaw/SX2Y4stkTjI/AAAAAAAAHi0/-JzDEuHNWO0/s400/L1000387.jpg&imgrefurl=http://neithermorenorless.blogspot.com/2009/01/birthday-number-76-for-ray-big-party.html&h=291&w=400&sz=32&tbnid=T-nqYsLzh5Lh6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BPenley&zoom=1&q=John+Penley&usg=__uyLeHj1HdcfEBJLLxfbseUeX7Cc=&sa=X&ei=PS8ATeK1OMSp8AaV0KT
<scottNY>NBw&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBA
<scottNY>damnnit
<scottNY>http://tinyurl.com/28tmwyd
<lfzr>lmao
<DynamicUno>lol
<scottNY>The blog is from NYC
<BarrettBrown>Penley is somewhat above Neil on the douche-o-meter
<BarrettBrown>Neal?
<projectpmbot>Neal is the guy who gets all the chicks
<DynamicUno>lol
<BarrettBrown>Love that fucking robot
<scottNY>When I first started using IRC, I thought projectpmbot was Neal
<scottNY>I was wrong.
<BarrettBrown>ProjectPMbot: Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.
<projectpmbot>BarrettBrown: Okay.
<BarrettBrown>Gregg?
<projectpmbot>Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.
<Emma>#
<BarrettBrown>Can't wait till he sees that
<DynamicUno>lolol fantastic
<BarrettBrown>For those who don't know, Gregg faced criminal charges by the Church of Scientology which were eventually resolved
<c0sfreenode>nice
<BarrettBrown>damn, didn't know you were paying attention
<BarrettBrown>Gregg?
<projectpmbot>Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.
<BarrettBrown>Gregg?
<c0sfreenode>I spent 7 months in court against them
<projectpmbot>Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.
<BarrettBrown>Gregg?
<projectpmbot>Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.
<BarrettBrown>lolololol
<BarrettBrown>jajajajajajaja
<c0sfreenode>other people got scared and made deals
<c0sfreenode>i ran it out until they realized it wasnt happening
<BarrettBrown>well done
<c0sfreenode>thank you
<scottNY>BarrettBrown: PPM have any really good tax guys?
* c0sfreenodeis not a good tax guy
<BarrettBrown>Also, Gregg, we obviously have a lot of other materials and I'll share those with you soon but will wait for your current round of media hassling to end
<BarrettBrown>Scott: Let me think
<c0sfreenode>yeah, the next few days are already filled up
<BarrettBrown>If not, I can get a good tax guy
<BarrettBrown>You got CNN tomorrow, Gregg?
<BarrettBrown>Oh, hey, can someone go ahead and send me the transcript of this meeting thus far?
<BarrettBrown>Gregg, just so you know, these meetings are not public and are only seen by a few other people like Barry Eisler and Robert Green
<DynamicUno>Transcript en route
<BarrettBrown>Great, thanks a bunch