Anonymous is the intellectual weaponsmith of the youth and the oppressed. biella: are you still around? TheMiNd, i was about to crash what up? You're a prof at NYU, right? just wanted to verify I wasn't thinking you're someone you're not :p TheMiNd, yep that is me often confused for a student but am on the other side :) http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/faculty_bios/view/Gabriella_Coleman that is me yeah, I had the PDFleaks and the other interview open to watch I was about to ask barrett if he'd tried to get in touch with you when you joined the channel :p aha, Anthropology. I KNEW my intended major would have something to do with being a caped crusader on the internet heh glad to have an anthropologist around thanks TheMiNd my boss is an anthropologist, but he's also a daoist, so his help would be rather unreliable :p heeh Ursula LeGuin was the daughter of 2 anthropologists and a taoist too it shows in her work ok i am off to bed, long long day night folks Bye bye Does anyone have a decent scoop on ElBaradei's opposition movement in Egypt? Where does it fall politically against Mubarak and the M.B.? PK3: guardian article last week http://is.gd/cCzCh6 and he's on twitter? @elbaradei holy shit, that elbaradei? yeah, he's awesome that's who we need to be supporting yeah! doesn't talk much tho that's fine we'll talk for him http://www.taghyeer.net/ his site yeah i'm skeptical of talkers ever since i got hoodwinked in 2008 i'd rather have people genuinely committed to the welfare of the people through action as you said, we can do the talking ;) not to pick sides, but i'd rather have elbaradei running the show than the brotherhood but that's not a decision i can make that's up to the Egyptians to settle otherwise we're no better than the CIA ^^ actually i take that back we've got m0ar lulz than the CIA so we can use that as a fallback never too much luzl btw what happened to ED the other day, it was gone for a while. Did it get ddosed? http://www.iaea.org/About/dg/elbaradei/biography.html at IAEA site hey, who wants to 1-up the state of the union tomorrow night? how? anonymous writes a State of the People address, or something to that affect Barrett: fyi just accepted ProjectPM google doc under my real name haha so you don't wonder ooh PK3, i like that idea! would require some massive mobilization and some sort of actual structure rather than some long winded rant about how we deserve more toys i would pay attention to tunisia, #jan25, and bradley manning perhaps? * BarrettBrown has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) police states, your time will come. or something idk i just think the timing is right Summary of the questions for obama on google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh5pqt1sM8w lol and I'm proud of my question: Mr. President: Many of the questions submitted to you thus far are incoherent, with poor spelling and grammar. Has the American education system failed these people? If so, how do you plan to repair a program that is in such obvious need of reform? simple. abolish the fucking system and force kids to spend their days roaming libraries instead of schools. * biella has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) i'm off, later * PK3 (~PK3@S0106000352077633.gv.shawcable.net) has left #projectpm hopefully the libraries will still be open - we may have to occupy them and run them ourselves with all the budget cuts - 'nite all /quit * ayla_n has quit (Quit: Page closed) * biella (~biella@2001:4978:127:1234:224:d7ff:fe16:bd24) has joined #projectpm * biella has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) * biella (~biella@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU) has joined #projectpm * PK3 (~PK3@w102-192.wireless.uvic.ca) has joined #projectpm Party's on in Egypt today. * BarrettBrown (~IceChat77@adsl-99-38-8-34.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #projectpm oh hai gotta switch locations real quick and then I'll be back on * BarrettBrown has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) * BarrettBrown (~IceChat77@64.190.96.182) has joined #projectpm * PK3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * JohnWK (~Waker@cpe-76-179-164-15.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #projectpm * PK3 (~PK3@w112-099.wireless.uvic.ca) has joined #projectpm yo yo ^^ I hear Egypt is having some... incidents lol jajajajajajajajajja http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html oh hail biella i saw that earlier. go figure. what's it say? it is making its way the justice department is seeking laws on ISP data retention cue tea party outrage I've got a film treatment due Friday *crickets* so will be a bit out of the loop for next couple days nonetheless will be around the NRA tends to be against this they have stopped it before one of the few cases the left and right are aligned brb i would hope so i find it harder and harder to take any political figure in the US seriously of any stripe probably why i ended up here * cparker (~cparker@fsf/member/cparker) has joined #projectpm What exactly is ProjectPM? I read an article by BarrettBrown about scientific journalism... is that ProjectPM's primary focus? Better scientific journalism? they are pretty depressing PK3 Cparker: no, our primary goal is wider projectpm.org cparker: e-mail me and I'll have Clark Robinson send you some documents the Science Journalism Program, along with Africa Development Program, are the two sub-projects we've launched thus far overall, we seek to improve the flow of information and build networks connecting the erudite and ethical in order to pursue various shared goals Nice. What does "PM" stand for? I'm back guys wb started social psychology course today Wishing i'd taken the class already, cause this knowledge would be really useful right now :\ brb... PK3: I've forwarded your messagge to Clark, who will be in touch soon with those documents * PK3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) So I decided against having myself waterboarded, upon realizing that I spent a lot of time getting OVER my hydrophobia and I don't need to restart it :p good decision * PK3 (~PK3@w112-099.wireless.uvic.ca) has joined #projectpm * TheMiNd has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * TheMiNd (~TheMiNd@host-72-174-53-227.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) has joined #projectpm okay, going to change locations yet again, back in a few minutes * PK4 (~PK3@w112-099.wireless.uvic.ca) has joined #projectpm * PK3 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) * BarrettBrown has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) * PK4 is now known as PK3 * ohthehugemanatee (~campbell@ip-80-236-235-210.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #projectpm hey all hm. Too bad barrett isn't around I was hoping to talk about the Egypt situation Just left. pity I'll have to send an emil how's everyone else? Just fine. ... ok then hey Campbell barrett will be back shortly hey lfzr how's it goin? its alright..tons of work :\ how bout you? TONS of work the satellite sentinel thing has been my existence for the last 2 months we just completely rewrote the mapping for the site, because what we got from google was.... not impressive we're launching that tomorrow, along with some pretty fucking amazing reports should be a fun time but meantime, my life is work :| http://www.satsentinel.org/? yep looks sexy! thanks- we threw it together in 2 weeks the map part was provided by google, and honestly I'm not too happy with it it ignores the way people actually look for information yea the 2 scroll bars looks kludgy and that the new mapping is at clients.trellon.org/sentinel-test/sudan-map if you wanna look click on a dot, and you can see the satellite imagery that it references it sizes dots based on how many reports are in the area wow. thats fantastic thanks! beautiful! you should check in on thursday. a couple of new partners are signed on, and the first big report out of harvard is hitting this is big stuff tel you, one of the biggest challenges naming * BarrettBrown (~IceChat77@adsl-99-38-8-34.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #projectpm all the place names are in arabic, and there's no formal way to transliterate aha so people spell "Abyei" 50 different ways so the UN gave us this database, basically a list of 30,000 different ways to spell place names and the latitude/longitude they correspond to Greetings, Barrett. unfortunately, their lat/long doesn't agree with google's by several hundred miles, actually so it's been a trip :) oh wow hey BarrettBrown yea that must have been tons of work really you just have to pick which coordinates are "reference", but it caused some confusion anyway, i'm not the technical mastermind... I jsut make sure the pieces come together right :) ohthehugemanatee: yo yo we've been busy I know! great news on Tunisia now... we doing anythign for Egypt? PUT ON SOME TEA, I HAVE STORIES yes assisting the secularists the skiddies are taking down govt websites fine by me <3 skiddies with our Guide to Protecting the Arab Revolution Series see this http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O mostly notes and whatnot so far nessus + db_autopwn does wonders look it over want to put it out soon will hinge on net security and organization nice see previous guides as well also we have many direct contacts in North Africa and hundreds of slightly less direct contacts erm, shoudl I be behind tor when contributing? Hastings put Newsweek's tunisia reporter in touch with me yesterday the software package outlined in that doc could be very useful this is all legal is anyone working on it? lfzr: sporadically, yes lots of Arabs, Anons, IT people lots of things are legal. It doesn't seem to matter anymore significant action in cairo right now gunshots http://www.justin.tv/cairowitness?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=02.chat.mibbit.com#/w/797816992 * BarrettBrown has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * BarrettBrown (~IceChat77@adsl-99-38-8-34.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #projectpm that's what I was talking about yeah, PK3 is just alerting us to specifics we've been on Egypt since yesterday this is live. barrett, do you think that setting up a drupal commons site to organize our efforts and info dissemination would be useful? that fellow from DKOS has webcam feed from Cairo I can get that guy up for you by this weekend yes, it would o could just be teargas ok i'll see if I can get it faster... i have a big launch for satsentinel.org coming up tomorrow so I'm kinda swamped also we should setup a signup page on the projectpm.org site do we want more people contributing there? I can unlock signups and make that open yea ideally we want to be able to manage current and perhaps future members there instead of through a google doc so when they signup they can automatically be added to a mailing list and Clark, Scott, Barrett and others can query the member ilst for info PK3: we just had reports of teargas used in Algeria not sure which town campbell: yes, we do I've been recruiting from Anon for a week now still integrating them this shit's spreading fast. BarrettBrown: I guess I don't understand. We want them contributing on our informational website? Or we want them contributing in the wiki? or what? help me understand the objective here we're not all /b/tards PK3: lol I sure hope not ohthehugemanatee: contributing to the collaborative docs we set up like this http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6 and the third guide in particular I need you and Sundeep to look over what's been written to make sure you agree with input there are a lot of directions we can go in terms of providing networking solutions to North Africa ok... but how does an account on our info site help people contribute to collaborative docs on typewith.me ? oh, it doesn't I'm only paying half-attention, on phone with contact basically, it's getting to the point where I can't make these decisions; I lack technical expertise we could setup etherpad which is what that typewith.me site is running to the extent you want to call the shots, do so and then mod it to work with user logins why mod it when there is so much out there? or to the extent that you're willing to. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I'm halfway through commons setup right now it will do user auth, and give collaborative spaces is real time collaborative editing a requirement? be sure to talk to pk3 here when younhave a moment if possible it would really help real time chat + editing in one place is more convenient than irc + wiki we've come to use that lately and I'm very pleased imho yeah lfzr: agreed yeah piratepads, etherpads and typewithme have been phenomenal lfzr: there's an etherpad port for drupal already, in alpha researching alternatives So, Campbell and lfzr, you're the IT people barrett wanted me to speak with. Meet John Waker not his real name hey hello hey JohnWK :) nice to meet you Likewise. aw, projectpmbot needs to be restarted meh - can't be bothered where are you from john? I CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT DAVE Classified. you won't get much out of John regarding himself but he has some interesting ideas Resident IT expert. regarding what can be done for North Africa with a bit of hardware Hardware architect, signed off of AMD's workforce mid-2010. John, I'm going to quote you [19:17] Let me introduce you to a corporation called Altera. [19:18] Big friends of mine in high places make FPGAdevelopment boards, okay. [19:18] They're fit for student and hobbyist use. great, what's your speciality [19:20] These can be used to make a System-on-a-chip design. [19:20] to be distributed in casings. [19:20] To the country. [19:22] The BeMicro. Digital system design and prototyping. badass - a real hardware hax0r I'm a collaberator on the PHENOM II projects. you have my respect And did the late Athlon revisions of 09. and some of my awe Thanks. but not too much of my awe, I don't give that away cheap Damn, how much a pound hm... gold is down this week, right? awe is up http://www.theawl.com/2011/01/tonight-in-cairo-the-parliament-is-surrounded Better invest quickly then. great round up but, yes. anyway... you still want to build a system on a chip for these regions? Been doing it for years. Verilog prototyping is my speciality. Ready-to-go dev boards are cheap and so are parts. the NYT gets it right on Egypt and Tunisia: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/world/middleeast/23egypt.html?pagewanted=2 why not just piggy back off of someone else's work, like the OLPC crowd? actually i meant to link to page one oops Take a look at the OLPC XO-1. Geode. link me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1 Plus. I don't like to piggy back off of existing companies that I've had affiliations with. If Barrett wants to then hey, that's fine with me. I defer to you folks on these things I'm a propaganist, I don't really know how to do things Plus. It gives US control of the hardware. I just don't like re-inventing the wheel unless we get a benefit out of it agreed Well. I leave that choice to Barrett, this is his field and apparently your's. nah, you know more than me what could we put together on our own? I defer to Campbell, you, Sundeep, etc also, Campbell guys, do we have any ideas to deal with the SMS/Twitter outages? I'll be around as usual but am supposed to finish film treatment by Friday but I think we should be set in terms of recruiting from Anon and whatnot my best one is still distributing radio how-tos :\ and pumped up wifi ohthehugemanatee: The issue in these countries is quality builds and security. definitely Custom built hardware gives us control of what can be seen by outside viewers. no question maybe portable wifi centers? We can transmit by a standard we create. Exactly. mind i've heard suggestions of utilizing bluetooth somehow no idea how that would work It won't. Satellite is your best bet for portable wifi centers. Either that or a shitload of verizon SIMM cards. JohnWK: what kinds of signals can these verilog cards send? Any you require as long as we get daughtercards for the wireless interface. is there anyway to jury rig a DSL connection between two computers? Depends on the environment. We need a way of routing communications in and out. And a way of distributing them without outside tracing. Whatever system we design. We can port linux to it. GCC is flexible enough as I'm sure you know. nope. I can design an architecture in little as 30 minutes. I'm thinking jacked up verilog card => phoneline => wifi transmitter Jonathan Kundra should be joining us in a moment Excellent. er jacked up wifi transmitter he's our connection to French North African community among other things What info does he have on the situation? Stupid to ask but hell why not. I guess we really don't even need the phone line unless we want to connect to outside world what we really need is a darknet, but I'm not anyone to judge the effectiveness of existing protocols vs. building our own IEEE standards are shit. If we're going to take a darknet and distribute. I'd say range issues would appear. John: He gets a lot of info from us. He mostly sends info to them. we need mobile wifi hotspots to be the seeders we tend to get our info from people on the ground So you want it to be a P2P network. ok tell me what you think of this well, what comunications are prevalent there? ^ This is the thing I'm hinging on. I know in a lot of africa, cell phones are way more common than phone lines Campbell: Can get you a better answer regarding specific countries in a bitr so hooking in via cellular... even cellular dialup would be something ...Distributed cellular modems. hey barrett, I'm gonna see if Randall Munroe will help us JohnWK: then don't we need a carrier? bitr? we do. My phone can be used as a dialup modem via bluetooth's protocol. * biella has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) DE1 boards have a USB interface. Bluetooth dongles are cheap. We could make portable wifi hotspots via the cellphones. And bluetooth connections within a local area. Routed through the FPGA's ethernet port onto an external 'top or on the FPGA itself. BarrettBrown: Do you know the webcomic xkcd?