Subject: Chat with Robert, james.poulos@huffingtonpost.com
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
To: barriticus@gmail.com

Robert: You've been invited to this chat room!

Robert: shit
Robert: lost that
Robert: can you rewrite
Robert: i know alyona wants to cover this
me: yes, one sec
Robert: as does james
james.poulos: Hello.
me: hi
me: first, all documentation is here, just put this uop
me: http://pastebin.com/gsR8HEwN
me: second
me: at least five articles from at least three major Aussie outlets on Trapwire from last two days have been removed
me: still in Google results, as anyone can verify
me: but removed from website, not edited, corrected, just removed
me: also gone are older articles mentioning Cubic's bid to oversee security in London and Aus transport systems
Robert: and what's your theory as to why?
me: Cubic is firm that owns Abraxas
Robert: which is trapwire
me: Abraxas spun-off Abraxas Apps, which runs Trapwire
me: although work on Trapwire began at Abraxas itself
me: Cubic and Abraxas have both been on our radar since early last year due to discovery that it's industry leader, or at least among leaders, in persona management, having won CENTCOM bid for that in 2010 through its made-for-bid subsidiary Ntrepid
me: all of that was only discoverded thanks to HBGary e-mails, even though the contract guidelines were out in plain sight on gov't bid website
me: all details on that are on our wiki
Robert: ok
Robert: so...why would someone care to bury trapwire when it existed at least in some level in plain sight
Robert: to put it another way, what was new in the Wikileaks data dump?
me: that's not obvious yet based on available facts, but as you'll see via the first link, most likely to prevent widespread knowledge of to what extent all this data will be integrated not just at sites of clear terrorist interest, as is now believed and claimed by several journalists that have written on subject, but also where general public will be subjected to that sort of invasive privacy every day
Robert: yup
me: personally, based on my last year of tracking and advocating these issues, I think that if this is the reason, they're over-estimating the extent to which journalists are going to make that connection or even find the issue interesting
me: and U.S. public in particular doesn't give a shit and obviously deserves everything that happens to it and worse
me: but with all things of this nature, I and people I work with believe it is our duty to at least inform those who are interested
me: so, take a look at the specifics, etc
me: oh and here's the Cubic page: http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Cubic_Corporation
me: see, this consortium does at least several different high-end infosec pursuits, like persona management and Trapwire itself, which Richard Helms himself said back in 2005 would be "more accurate than facial recognition,", and is well-positioned
me: sorry, meant to also say that we can take his quote about more accurate than facial recognition as of course being in context of level of accuracy in 2005 when he said it
me: nonetheless, I'm seeing people like Adrian Chen at Gawker who never does his homework going out there and "debunking" idea of facial recognition used in this as "outlandish," his words
me: all it takes is a couple inaccurate "debunking" articles to just shut the story down, because sad thing is a lot of other journalists just assume anything that depicts itself as "debunking" must be correct
me: I say this as former columnist for Skeptical Inquirer and Skeptic
me: so, let me know
me: I'll be haranguing others if you need me
Robert: ok
Robert: cool, this is GREAT
Robert: i will share with alyona

me: thanks, please do
me: I know she'll run with it, she was one of few to bother with my Romas/COIN report last year
me: other than Der Spiegel, not a single fucking US outlet other than Raw Story
Robert: awesome barrett
Robert: thanks so much for this
me: happy to do it, credit on finding the older articles that were scrubbed goes to an Anon contact of mine