<
lancaster.karen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yay! We'll keep our fingers crossed it works out. What are you doing up so
> early? Or are you just now going to bed?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It really is something that will solve several major problems and
>> potentially create a much superior environment for online activism,
>> and to me it's also one of the truly interesting subjects/pursuits
>> that have come up, so I'm happy to be working on this.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Karen Lancaster
>> <
lancaster.karen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Wow, this is pretty impressive!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:20 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> To: Stephen Veith <
sveith@verizon.net>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stephen-
>> >>
>> >> After a couple more unexpected pieces of work, I've finally begun
>> >> writing up the materials on the "pursuant system," as I'm calling it
>> >> for now, and will be sending you those as I finish them. The
>> >> introduction I've pasted below doesn't get into explaining exactly how
>> >> it works, but instead provides an overview, directed both at online
>> >> activists and non-activists, of what fundamental problems the
>> >> schematic will solve and what other value it should be expected to
>> >> offer to whom. Specifics on the design itself will require me to
>> >> finish up some charts along with appropriate text so will take a few
>> >> days still; I'll also be sending along sections dealing in greater
>> >> detail with the negative aspects of the existing activist environment
>> >> that the system is designed to minimize, and likely one or two more on
>> >> related topics. Expect it all within the next week or so, and do let
>> >> me know if you have any initial questions about any of it. Still very
>> >> excited about pursuing this and look forward to our next discussion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Introduction to the Pursuant System
>> >>
>> >> Effective, information-oriented online activism of the sort sometimes
>> >> engaged in by participants/informal groupings of Anonymous, as well as
>> >> by Telecomix and an increasing variety of other entities, has from its
>> >> beginning been organized and carried out most consistently within the
>> >> medium of internet relay chat (IRC), a format, and thus centralized
>> >> within a series of IRC networks that necessarily take on a variety of
>> >> individual characters relative to the others. Other mediums - forums,
>> >> video conferencing sites, Skype, Twitter, collaborative pads - are
>> >> also used, either in conjunction with IRC or to its exclusion, but the
>> >> format of separate chat servers in which activists work within the
>> >> confines of one or more channels dedicated to varying purposes has
>> >> been by far more central to the work and interactions of the most
>> >> active participants since online activism came into its own in 2008.
>> >> Between its historical status as the venue of choice for the
>> >> technically-inclined and its relative usability in terms of
>> >> information sharing, collaborative work, and socializing, IRCs
>> >> dominance among online activists is unlikely to be seriously
>> >> challenged within the next five years - especially since little overt
>> >> attention has been given to the fact that IRC is almost certainly not
>> >> anything close to the optimal possible medium for the specific
>> >> necessities of collaboration that have of late been shown to arise
>> >> among online activists.
>> >>
>> >> Any reasonably close observer of the last few years of online activism
>> >> should be able to identify severe inefficiencies stemming from the
>> >> peculiarities of a medium that, while certainly advantageous in some
>> >> respects, was certainly not designed with online activism in mind.
>> >> Many observers have indeed done so, and some large portion of
>> >> participants will have undoubtedly noticed one or another of these
>> >> problems - and would understandably consider any alternative provided
>> >> either as a replacement or supplement. The more committed among them
>> >> would recognize that net-facilitated activism has proven its own
>> >> potential even in its infancy, and is thus too important a civic
>> >> remedy to be carried out without a good degree of regard for the
>> >> fundamentals by which it is incubated and carried out.
>> >>
>> >> The purpose of the pursuant system is to provide an alternative medium
>> >> that, unlike IRC or any other now in use, is designed specifically for
>> >> the use of online activists, as determined by the specific dynamics
>> >> that provide for operational effectiveness, and with a view to
>> >> minimizing several of the factors inherent to IRC that consistently
>> >> reduce such effectiveness. It is not intended to entirely replace any
>> >> other medium in use by activists, but instead to provide a degree of
>> >> organizational functionality that currently does not exist, and which
>> >> would prove useful and desirable to the vast majority of online
>> >> activists while also encouraging some number of non-activists to
>> >> consider getting involved for the first time. Aside from all of that,
>> >> one of the two instances in which the pursuant system is to be
>> >> released will facilitate collaboration between groups - termed
>> >> pursuants within the system - at a level of overall ease and
>> >> collective functionality beyond what now exists within net-facilitated
>> >> activism and a number of more traditional enterprises as well.
>> >>
>> >> The pursuant system is driven by a conceptually simple but
>> >> multifaceted and highly customizable schematic, itself originally
>> >> designed in 2010 with input from early participants of Project PM, and
>> >> then fundamentally expanded on in collaboration with information
>> >> activist David House in late 2012 in light of the developing character
>> >> and perceived future potential of online activism as made apparent
>> >> over several years and countless operations and incidents. In addition
>> >> to the functionality presented here, other tools and aspects are
>> >> likely to be added over development, and still others could be
>> >> implemented by individual users after release.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > No problem, I had to finish up some work this week myself. Also, the
>> >> >
echelon2.org wiki is currently down due to servers being rearranged,
>> >> > but it should be back up later today or tomorrow at the latest. Let
>> >> > me
>> >> > know when you're ready to touch base again, and no hurry, as I need
>> >> > to
>> >> > figure out a couple of things and look through your site and all
>> >> > that.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Stephen Veith <
sveith@verizon.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Barrett,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks so much for taking the time to compile all this. Thanks also
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> spending an hour with me on the phone on Tuesday. It was great
>> >> >> having
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> opportunity to get to know you better.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My apologies that I haven't been able to dig into any of this yet.
>> >> >> Between
>> >> >> family obligations and my day job I have been submerged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please trust that I will go through everything this weekend. Please
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> check out Center for IT Leadership
www.cfitl.com when you get a
>> >> >> chance.
>> >> >> It's been awhile and I am still trying to recall the login for the
>> >> >> CMS.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> will send you that as soon as I find it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I will come back to you, my friend. Many thanks again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Barrett Brown [mailto:
barriticus@gmail.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:05 PM
>> >> >> To: Stephen Veith
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Again, it was wonderful to talk to you about all this yesterday.
>> >> >> Here's the wiki Project PM started last year:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Main_Page
>> >> >>
>> >> >> See the entries on Romas/COIN
>> >> >> (
http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Romas/COIN), Endgame Systems
>> >> >> (
http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems), and Qorvis
>> >> >> (
http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Qorvis) in particular. As I
>> >> >> mentioned,
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> also do a lot of direct and behind-the-scenes media work on the
>> >> >> issue,
>> >> >> sometimes with the result that other journalists do digging off of a
>> >> >> tip and
>> >> >> uncover something new. I'll talk you through a bit more about that
>> >> >> next
>> >> >> time
>> >> >> we talk on phone.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here are my Guardian op-eds, most of which cover the issues we
>> >> >> touched
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> yesterday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/barrett-brown
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here's a piece I wrote in early January 2011 for al-Jazeera, under
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> "Anonymous," on the topic of what would become the Arab Spring:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201121321487750509.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here's the bi-monthly column I wrote on the internet for Skeptical
>> >> >> Inquirer
>> >> >> throughout 2010, as I was putting together Project PM:
>> >> >>
http://www.csicop.org/author/barrettbrown
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'll start completing and sending in the more specific materials
>> >> >> you've
>> >> >> asked for later this week. Please send me the link to your site when
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> have a moment and I'll take a look.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Barrett Brown
>> >> >> <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> Stephen-
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Did you try to call me yesterday from an 850 number? If so, I'm
>> >> >>> afraid
>> >> >>> I'm just seeing it now on my calls missed. Either way, I'll be
>> >> >>> around
>> >> >>> this morning if you'd like to call at any point.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Barrett Brown
>> >> >>> <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Anytime after noon on Monday should work.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Stephen Veith
>> >> >>>> <
sveith@verizon.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> HI Barrett,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Thanks for your note. How do you look on Monday?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Have a great weekend.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>> From: Barrett Brown [mailto:
barriticus@gmail.com]
>> >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:38 PM
>> >> >>>>> To: Stephen Veith
>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Sorry, didn't catch this in time. I'm around all day today if
>> >> >>>>> you'd
>> >> >>>>> like to call at any point.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Veith
>> >> >>>>> <
sveith@verizon.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> Hey Barrett
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Good to hear from you. No worries as I have had an insane week.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> How do you look for tomorrow morning say around 9am your time?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Thank you.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Best
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone - Please excuse typos
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>> <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Stephen-
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Sorry, I somehow overlooked this in my inbox until just now.
>> >> >>>>>>> Let
>> >> >>>>>>> me know if you'd like to speak today or tomorrow at any time
>> >> >>>>>>> that's good for you.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stephen Veith
>> >> >>>>>>> <
sveith@verizon.net>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi Barrett,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> How is Monday afternoon? I am pretty open then. Thanks!
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Veith, Stephen G [mailto:
sveith@namginc.com]
>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:16 PM
>> >> >>>>>>>> To:
sveith@verizon.net
>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: FW: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Stephen Veith | Senior Digital Sales Executive North American
>> >> >>>>>>>> Media Group, Inc
www.northamericanmediagroup.com t -
>> >> >>>>>>>>
646.862.3919
>> >> >>>>>>>> | e -
sveith@namginc.com
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Barrett Brown [mailto:
barriticus@gmail.com]
>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:01 PM
>> >> >>>>>>>> To: Veith, Stephen G
>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Next week would be fine; let me know when you have a day/time
>> >> >>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>> mind, I should be pretty flexible.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Veith, Stephen G
>> >> >>>>>>>> <
sveith@namginc.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Hey Barrett,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry to have missed you. Maybe as you suggested, a phone
>> >> >>>>>>>>> conference
>> >> >>>>>>>> might work. How do you look next week for about 30 minutes or
>> >> >>>>>>>> so?
>> >> >>>>>>>> Thank you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Stephen Veith | Senior Digital Sales Executive North American
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Media Group, Inc
www.northamericanmediagroup.com t -
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
646.862.3919 | e -
sveith@namginc.com
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>>>>>> From: Barrett Brown [mailto:
barriticus@gmail.com]
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:39 PM
>> >> >>>>>>>>> To: Veith, Stephen G
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Stephen-
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Let me know if you still want to meet in next few hours
>> >> >>>>>>>>> before
>> >> >>>>>>>>> you're heading out; I'll be on my cell.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Stephen-
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> That actually works fine, as I get back Tuesday evening and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Wednesday
>> >> >>>>>>>> afternoon is clear. Would you like to meet at breadwinners on
>> >> >>>>>>>> McKinney ave, in uptown? It's a breakfast/lunch/coffee place
>> >> >>>>>>>> with
>> >> >>>>>>>> a nice patio and next to apartment, so I could head over there
>> >> >>>>>>>> at
>> >> >>>>>>>> a moment's notice depending on your schedule that day.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:37 AM, "Veith, Stephen G"
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <
sveith@namginc.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Barrett,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I am on the plane now headed to TX. I will be in Dallas on
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> weds
>> >> >>>>>>>> afternoon if you will be there then. My flight leaves Dfw at
>> >> >>>>>>>> 5:30.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> We can always chat by phone if logistics don't align.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> forward to
>> >> >>>>>>>> catching up. Thanks.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone - Please excuse typos
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Barrett Brown"
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I did live in Austin on and off for a number of years,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> which
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is why I have the 512 cell number, but I actually live in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dallas now, and will still be in NYC until Tuesday
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you're still in the city and would like to meet here
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> before you head to
>> >> >>>>> Texas, let me know.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, would be happy to meet in Dallas at any time or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk by phone.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Veith, Stephen G
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <
sveith@namginc.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Barrett,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your note. Nice meeting you briefly on
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears you are in Austin. I will be there Monday and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday if
>> >> >>>>>>>> you are in town and would like to grab coffee or a beer.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to learn more about Anonymous. As a former
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> launch
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> publisher
>> >> >>>>>>>> of numerous tech information sources over the past 20 years, I
>> >> >>>>>>>> am
>> >> >>>>>>>> intrigued about the upside possibilities with respect to
>> >> >>>>>>>> heightening awareness of the myriad of serious issues in the
>> >> >>>>>>>> Cyber world that we all
>> >> >>>>> face.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Barrett Brown [
barriticus@gmail.com]
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:39 PM
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Veith, Stephen G
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Barrett here, getting in touch
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen-
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's Barrett Brown from last night. E-mail me back at
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> address or give me a call on my cell number below any
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like. Look forward to hearing from you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Barrett Brown
>> >> >>
512-560-2302
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Barrett Brown
>> >> >
512-560-2302
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Barrett Brown
>> >> 512-560-2302
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Barrett Brown
>> >> 512-560-2302
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Barrett Brown
>> 512-560-2302
>
>
--
Regards,
Barrett Brown
512-560-2302