Yeah, let’s talk soon.  I’m quite interested in what you had to say below.  I’d like to hear more about it. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Barrett Brown [mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:40 PM
To: Jay Leiderman
Subject: Re: U going to Defcon?

Howdy. Nope, I've never been to Defcon and don't plan on attending this year, either. Have never really been interested in the technical side of things. Also kind of depressed over the extent to which Anonymous has lost steam, seems to be in serious danger of becoming irrelevant. Anything of a crowd-sourced nature is only going to be as productive as the crowd in question, and so many of the people who were attracted to Anon for the right reasons due to what was being accomplished last year have just sort of gone off, leaving the IRC venues with a sort of brain-drain situation. Meanwhile a newish venue that has some promise by virtue of being overseen by some of the better, more hard-working Anons, Voxanon, has been under constant DDOS attack for two weeks, and as Echelon2.org had moved to their servers recently, that's been down, too (along with Project PM IRC, which had also moved there recently). Lesson there is that all it takes is one party with a powerful botnet to disrupt the work of dozens of people.

Anyway, have mostly been spending my time thinking about what lessons can be learned from last couple of years and trying to figure out how I can best make use of them and encourage others to do so as well.

Broadly, I still think the way forward is smaller, better-defined groups like Telecomix that can practice quality control and which won't attract the wrong sort of person and which are less vulnerable to both infiltration as well as mundane factors like attracting too many people with no real desire to be effective activists. Anon was a shaky foundation on which to build a movement, in large part because of this lulz/trolling tradition. And it's not going away anytime soon; hopefully it will still be able to facilitate connections, training, education, etc and prompt people to pursue new methods by which to counter states and other corrupt institutions. But the momentum seems to be gone for now.

Anyway, I've been asked to participate in Business Week/Bloomberg panel on security next month, which will be filmed and featured in their various outlets, so I'll be in NYC for a few days to do that, and perhaps I'll have a chance to meet up with some people and get some things moving with Project PM.

Let's try to talk soon.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Jay Leiderman <jay@leidermandevine.com> wrote:

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