Subject: RE:
From: Ryan Gallagher <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com>
Date: 6/11/12, 19:06
To: <barriticus@gmail.com>

Hey Barrett,

Thanks for sending this informative info & sorry for the delayed response. I've been offline for a few days and have been dealing with an email backlog today. I was actually thinking about the HBGary emails last week. How extensively have you searched through them? I'm wondering if there are still more nuggets in there waiting to be found...

FYI, Project PM appears to currently be offline -- I'm getting a CloudFlare page.

Ryan



> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 01:31:29 -0500
> Subject: Re:
> From: barriticus@gmail.com
> To: ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com
>
> Ryan-
>
> A couple things:
>
> Wanted to make sure you're aware of Telecomix's Blue Cabinet wiki, on
> which is compiled a great deal of info on dozens of firms in U.S.,
> U.K., and Europe that are known to provide various
> surveillance-oriented capabilities to governments (and dictatorships,
> in some cases). I don't know how useful this might be for you in the
> future, but it could definitely serve as a resource at least in terms
> of a jumping-off point. Here's a link to the main page, which lists
> all of the firms they've collected info on:
>
> http://werebuild.telecomix.org/wiki/Blue_cabinet
>
> One other thing. Have been going over our own Project PM wiki to fix
> it up a bit and add new content and came across something I'd
> forgotten about: a discussion between Aaron Barr of HBGary and Tim
> Reisen of Archimedes Global and Tim Clair of TASC about a market
> survey, presumably put out by a U.S. entity, in reference to
> "misattributable marketing services," as they call it in the e-mail
> exchange. The source of this exchange is the HBGary e-mails and the
> entire exchange is reproduced on our page here:
>
> https://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Misattributable_marketing_services
>
> Based on the self-explanatory moniker as well as the fact that those
> involved in the e-mail exchange were also working on a recompete bid
> for Romas/COIN, which itself includes some large and mysterious
> marketing component that clearly entails hiding the source of certain
> forms of output, it's not difficult to get a general sense of what
> this capability refers to. It's certainly interesting that one of the
> participants ask if AOL has such a thing. It's also possible that some
> clues as to its potential/desirability might be gleaned from another
> discussion between Barr and Riesen that I've listed on the bottom of
> our page on Archimedes Global, here:
>
> https://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Archimedes_Global
>
> At any rate, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the clues
> we've found on this. Certainly methodologies by which to hide the true
> source of activity of various kinds are of great interest to a number
> of agencies and private contractors at this point, and I think it's
> likely that some of the more unfortunate pursuits coming out of that
> world in the next ten years will be dependent on such things as this,
> so it might be something to look out for.
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Ryan Gallagher
> <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Good grief, that's worrying. Some of these congressmen are crackpots of the
> > highest order... I doubt the amendment they're proposing will make it into
> > law, but the very fact that there are people in positions of influence
> > pushing for these sorts of measures is bad enough in itself.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:03:26 -0500
> >
> >> Subject: Re:
> >> From: barriticus@gmail.com
> >> To: ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Also:
> >> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/congressmen-seek-to-lift-propaganda-ban
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Ryan Gallagher
> >> <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I have a few ideas and I know some good editors who I'm hopeful will
> >> > show
> >> > some spine and step up to the plate. There is a substantial public
> >> > interest
> >> > in publishing... But the fact we are dealing with one of the world's
> >> > largest
> >> > defense firms doesn't help -- especially not in the States. It's been
> >> > quite
> >> > an eye-opener, let me tell you. The chilling effect is quite
> >> > extraordinary
> >> > and deeply concerning.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, fingers crossed I'll get something worked out.
> >> >
> >> > Ryan
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:11:53 -0500
> >> >> Subject: Re:
> >> >> From: barriticus@gmail.com
> >> >> To: ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess I'm not really surprised. Although a very strong precedent has
> >> >> been established by virtue of the widespread publication of the
> >> >> materials emanating from the HBGary grab, to say nothing of everything
> >> >> Wikileaks has done with its partner publications, few outlets are
> >> >> willing to take risks on these things. I'm sorry that you're having
> >> >> difficulty with this, but hopefully you'll have better luck elsewhere.
> >> >> In such a case as I can of any further help, let me know.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ryan Gallagher
> >> >> <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Barrett,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Apologies for the lengthy delay with this Raytheon piece. The thing
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > written weeks ago but has been hindered by all kinds of editorial
> >> >> > wrangling
> >> >> > and now legal issues. I didn't realize the severity of the copyright
> >> >> > implications and I've been held up significantly by the fact that
> >> >> > Raytheon
> >> >> > does not want these videos in the public domain.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've concluded tonight that a fairly drastic solution is required:
> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> > going
> >> >> > to have to move the story from the States to a publisher in the UK.
> >> >> > Tomorrow
> >> >> > I'm going to send a few emails. I'll keep you updated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Again, sorry for the delay. I assure you I'm doing all I can.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hope all's well with you,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ryan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Barrett Brown
> >> >> 940-735-9748
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Barrett Brown
> >> 940-735-9748
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Barrett Brown
> 940-735-9748