Subject: Re:
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 4/14/12, 17:54
To: Ryan Gallagher <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com>

Yes, it came back up on Google results about 36 hours after we first noted it to be missing; not sure how long before that it had been available. One of our people in PM is the U.K. activist who's always taking Google to court, and he's just now returning to U.K. after having been in D.C. for something, so he'll be asking one of their directors about this on Monday, he says. Otherwise, we haven't been able to discover anything solid.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Ryan Gallagher <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your Endgame Systems page is showing up as the second result in Google now. Very weird. Have you got to the bottom of it yet?

Update on the stories about the videos: I've just about finished what I think will be the main piece, and am now about to start on a shorter, additional one which will go out around the same time... next week at some point, I expect.

Ryan
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:21:49 -0500

Subject: Re:
From: barriticus@gmail.com
To: ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com

Yes, that was the first possibility that we thought of, we're aware of the whole "negative SEO" thing, and Endgame would certain have access to the high-end version of that. It would be pretty surprising if Google itself had taken it down, as that sort of thing could make for considerable backlash.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Ryan Gallagher <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's interesting. It wouldn't surprise me if something underhand was going on, frankly. I've heard of dodgy lobby firms using so-called "dark arts" to vanish pages from the first couple of Google search results. See: http://pages.citebite.com/q1r6l5c6t4rcr

Ryan
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:05:07 -0500
Subject: Re:
From: barriticus@gmail.com
To: ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com


Oh, one more thing. As I just noted on my Twitter, our wiki page for Endgame Systems, which was the first result on subject for six months and second result for a few months prior, now doesn't come up on Google search at all. It comes up on Bing, others, but not Google. First result is now the Wikipedia page, second result is our wiki main page which lists Endgame Systems, but the actual page won't come up even if you use more specific search term like "Endgame Systems Project PM." We just noticed this this morning, and are trying to determine what happened and if Google itself might be complicit in any way.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
That's great to hear. Definitely keep me updated.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Ryan Gallagher <ryan.gallagher@hotmail.com> wrote:
Barrett,

Just to update you: I've been on the case with the videos & much background research and am putting together a couple of stories this week. They'll be published at Slate, I'm hoping within the next ten days.

Will send more details later.

Best,

Ryan



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