William: hey barrett, how's it going me: good William: eventful day William: so, hey, did you catch that gnarly pastebin about how stratfor wasn't anonymous me: saw it, yep me: that you? William: no comment atm. William: but what's you're honest opinion on stratfor? William: to me it looks like a case of opportunism, justified after the fact. me: Stratfor hasn't done anything that would incline me to hack it me: the point here is that the e-mails yielded will provide a wealth of intel on the folks that have been going after us, as well as other info of relevance to our investigation in general William: possibly. William: i would like to note that many antisec leaks have yielded basically nothing more damning than a few racist chainmails. me: I agree me: and much of what they've done, like Lulzsec, has damaged some of our credibility William: well, anonymous can disown antisec. me: but they've also struck some significant blows against legitimate targets me: and I do support the hack of Stratfor insomuch as that we are increasingly in a state of war that requires continued and actionable intelligence me: however, I'm proposing that we try to get them to cooperate in minimizing any damages to innocent parties William: didn't they just release the info of 13k credit card accounts? me: apparently William: i have serious doubts about the intentions of sabu, if he's calling these shots. me: you've had serious doubts about my intentions, enough that you've chosen to write things under my name me: so, although some of your objections are valid, I'd take them more seriously if they came from someone who hasn't relied so much on disinfo William: okay, that's totally fair. my intentions aren't crystal clear or anything. me: at any rate, there's nothing I can do about that me: about them releasing credit card info William: right William: well, at what point is disowning antisec the best course of action? where do you draw the line? me: when antisec becomes worse than our enemies, that would certainly do it me: as to where I'd draw the line me: it would be well before that happens me: it's like, in U.S. foreign policy, how much do you work with the Soviets against the Nazis? William: well let's put this through the wringer, then, and compare stratfor to wikileaks. William: stratfor and possibly clients of stratfor have been financially punished apparently just for their association with stratfor me: yes, yes William: wikileaks, and supporters of wikileaks have dealt with the same stuff me: I see where you're going with this me: I would note that our tactics don't involve disinfo, that this attack is being done in retaliation for the arguably worse attacks against us by many of Stratfor's clients... me: that our attack does not draw upon forced taxation of the same population that is being lied to in the course of the anti-Wikileaks campaign me: and if I weren't on two tamazapam I would continue William: lol me: so we'll have to pick this up later me: I would also note that I'd much rather have my credit card compromised than have my ability to speak on my own behalf compromised William: even by your criteria, antisec is on thin ice. William: and yes, i think misinfo on stratfor has been spread. not purposeful disinfo, just kind of a wrong idea of what they do. William: and that does make it a shred nicer than what happened to wikileaks me: yes, several of the people involved have put out misinformation, rather than disinformation, simply because they don't know what Stratfor actually does