David: So the Revolution seems to be doing very well me: surprisingly so David: I'm of the opinion that there should be a 'corporate death penalty' David: if an individual can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have broken a law, prosecute him or her... David: if a corporation clearly has violated the law, but you can't prosecute an individual... hey, corporations are people, prosecute them! me: yes, there are any number of great ideas that could be implemented if the voting public were different than what it is David: and for grevious enough crimes, the punishment should be Nationalization, whereby the State then either liquidates the company, or makes it transparent, makes it profitable, then sells it off for revenue David: agreed. David: I think the movement is wrong to ask for the repeal of corporate personhood though. me: The political process is only as good as the public David: agreed. me: which is the entire reason for Anon and other such entities; you can have as good as argument as possible for a certain policy but the public and its representatives are the limiting factor David: we need a focus on the need for fiscal literacy in the 99% David: not blame-oriented David: skills training David: I got a buddy that does that professionally me: That's why I, for instance, am more interested in dissolving the nation or at least activating the intelligent and organizing them into active entities me: rather than trying to win arguments with people who have proven themselves to have emotional commitments to other arguments David: my feelings are that we're already in the 'transitional government' phase. We need to plan the NEXT economy, rather than take down the present. The present has already failed. me: A lot of Anons believe the problem is that the public's wishes are not expressed me: I think the problem is the public David: agreed. The public got together and voiced their wishes, and there was no unified idea David: which is fine! David: but that needs to be the starting point for a conversation me: And they were for the war in 2003 David: I think historians will regard this period of time as "The Great Conversation" me: There's a lot than can be done to change the public stance, but there's more to be done without regard for public opinion at alll David: certainly David: establishing science, reason, and an understanding of Hume amongst policy-maker me: The question, I think, should be, "How can those of us who know these things implement policy ourselves?" David: here's my thoughts on that... me: And the answer is to prompt the intelligent to start their own insitutions David: we have two traditional class divides - the rich vs. the poor, and the ruling class vs. the disenfranchised... David: and the wealthy class and ruling class have massive overlap David: but there's a new class divide emerging... the digital divide David: the connected class vs. the unconnected David: and the barrier is much lower with that divide David: so we need the connected class to become the ruling class David: we don't need to 'eat the rich'; just remove their 'ruling class' status David: meanwhile, we should have a new 'moon mission', whereby our nation invests in developing a global satellite network that provides free, broadband, uncensored, unfiltered, unmonitored wireless internet to every inhabited corner of the planet David: and a push to provide internet-ready devices to any who want them David: do this, things will work out David: (along with the corporate death penalty, and a new constitutional amendment establishing a 'sunset clause' for ALL legislation)