Subject: transcript

From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>

Date: 5/13/11, 18:57

To: Shadow DXS <shadowdxs@gmail.com>

My name is Barrett Brown and I'm working on a piece for al-Jazeera on the intelligence contracting industry. I was wondering if you'd be willing

to talk with me about the counter intel project you were working on with Aaron Barr of HBGary Federal in the summer of 2010.


Lovegrove: Hello?

Brown: Hello, is this Mr. Lovegrove?

Lovegrove: Yup.

Brown: Hi, John. My name is Barrett Brown and I'm working on an article for al-Jazeera on the intelligence contracting industry. Uh, I wanted to

ask you a couple questions if you'd be willing to talk to me about the counter intel project you were working on with Aaron Barr of HBGary

Federal, uh, in the summer of last year. The, uh, you know the Romas/COIN project?

Lovegrove: I can't talk about that.

Brown: Is that, uh, is that proprietary, or, uh...

Lovegrove: It's not something I'm gonna say something about.

Brown: So you don't have any comment-

Lovegrove: What's your name again?

Brown: Barrett Brown.

Lovegrove: Barrett Brown?

Brown: Yeah.

Lovegrove: And where are you calling from?

Brown: Well I'm calling from Texas, but I'm writing an article for al-Jazeera, I'm a journalist, and I've been asked to do an article on some of

the things that happened with your company and HBGary back in 2010.

Lovegrove: I can't comment and anything I have said so far is off the record.

Brown: Alright, uh... well you haven't really said anything, so... but, uh

Lovegrove: I just wanted to make sure.

Brown: Well, it's all on the record insomuch as that I'm calling as a journalist. But, so, you can't comment at all on Romas/COIN or Mantech, or

the recompete deal you guys were working on?

Lovegrove: Nope?

Brown: How about Northrop Grumman, can you talk about them, and their work?

Lovegrove: Like I said, I can't comment.

Brown: Alright, so is there anything you're willing to talk about regarding your company and what you guys were working on?

Lovegrove: No sir.

Brown: Ah, so you do have any comment regarding - you understand that obviously people are looking into these e-mails that went public regarding

surveillance programs that are-

Lovegrove: Still not gonna comment.

Brown: I mean, are you guys ashamed of what you were doing, or, I mean - you can get good publicity out of this if you're doing something

important.

Lovegrove: (Brief silence) Okay, I'm gonna hang up now, no comment.

Brown: Alright, have fun, adios.










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Regards,

Barrett Brown
512-560-2302