ahriman
Subject: ahriman
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 5/7/11, 04:16
To: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>

ahriman: I reread the article by Mann
2:02 ahriman: Barrett got his facts wrong
2:04 ahriman: Menn never said "technical details"
2:04 ahriman: I think Menn read this article we were drafting and changed it, or Barret is malicious
2:04 SecurityManKillJoy: I wouldn't know
2:04 ahriman: I'd prefer to believe the first over the second... but ... i'm staring at the google cache
2:05 SecurityManKillJoy: from?
2:05 ahriman: who should I talk to about barrett? 
2:06 SecurityManKillJoy: I mean when was the cache from?
2:09 SecurityManKillJoy: PM an IRCop?
2:09 ahriman: i PMed 3
2:16 SecurityManKillJoy: 24, last sentence repeats "request more laws", essentially
2:16 SecurityManKillJoy: I'd say replace that with "antics" or something
2:16 ahriman: ??
2:17 ahriman: passing the blame
2:17 BarrettBrown: what the fuck?
2:17 BarrettBrown: what are you asserting here?
2:17 Phrack: haha I love Barrett's response
2:17 BarrettBrown: and what are you accusing me of to IRC cops?
2:18 BarrettBrown: without asking me about it?
2:18 Phrack: HAHAHA
2:19 ahriman: because it was their job to confront you not mine
2:19 BarrettBrown: confront me with what?
2:20 BarrettBrown: it's your fucking job if you're claiming there's something to confront me with
2:20 ahriman: you made up article titles and quotes. stuff that is super simple to validate
2:20 BarrettBrown: what did I make up?
2:20 ahriman: we couldn't find your article titles anywhere online
2:20 BarrettBrown: what article titles?
2:21 ahriman:  "Hackers Warned of Arrest" by Joseph Menn. Published in the Financial Times at  http://tinyurl.com/anonPR1
2:22 SecurityManKillJoy: it's easy to mess up an article title a bit and not check again
2:22 BarrettBrown: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/87dc140e-3099-11e0-9de3-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F87dc140e-3099-11e0-9de3-00144feabdc0.html&_i_referer=#axzz1LbP3MAFP
2:23 BarrettBrown: It was Cyberactivists Warned of Arrests
2:23 BarrettBrown: I fucked up a word
2:23 BarrettBrown: did it myself in twenty minutes
2:23 ahriman: more like 30
2:23 BarrettBrown: ...
2:23 ahriman: 30 words 
2:23 ahriman: it isn't just one title
2:23 BarrettBrown: what thirty words?
2:23 BarrettBrown: Okay, what else?
2:23 ahriman: we found a lot of mistkaes
2:23 BarrettBrown: Okay, list them
2:23 SecurityManKillJoy: okay back to editing the article again, not a big deal
2:23 BarrettBrown: You know I've been writing press releases for Anon for a long time, right?
2:23 BarrettBrown: and op-eds?
2:24 ahriman: Menn publishes another article entitled, "Hackers Admit Anonymous Likely Behind Sony Attack." http://tinyurl.com/anonPR2
2:24 BarrettBrown: right
2:24 ahriman: look at line 26 
2:24 ahriman: again, your title wasn't even in google cache
2:25 BarrettBrown: Techmeme:  Hackers admit Anonymous likely behind Sony attacks ... May 6, 2011 ...  Hackers admit Anonymous likely behind Sony attacks — By Tim Bradshaw in  London and Joseph Menn in San Francisco — Two veterans of Anonymous ...  www.techmeme.com/110506/p32 - Block all techmeme.com results
2:25 ahriman: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d0a21040-7800-11e0-b90e-00144feabdc0.html?catid=7&SID=google#axzz1Le5vZuIe
2:25 BarrettBrown: please don't do this again
2:25 ahriman: there's the article you referenced
2:25 BarrettBrown: yes, do you see what I just posted?
2:25 BarrettBrown: that was title
2:25 BarrettBrown: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=gsishc&xhr=t&q=Hackers+Admit+Anonymous&cp=24&qe=SGFja2VycyBBZG1pdCBBbm9ueW1vdXMg&qesig=ZYqou3I9HfZ7Vp4JikTfLQ&pkc=AFgZ2tlN2llajdSDy428o_cWpk-EL0vr5nxArhEOhiNHmRvRW63rpiseywfkUHwsK4z-2xuAf_EYNvv3y-bOvgkam9kesstfTg&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Hackers+Admit+Anonymous+&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=44b3839bd44fe786
2:25 ahriman: so you quote one article and link to another?
2:26 BarrettBrown: By Tim Bradshaw in London and Joseph Menn in San Francisco
2:26 BarrettBrown: By Tim Bradshaw in London and Joseph Menn in San Francisco
2:26 BarrettBrown: seriously
2:26 BarrettBrown: don't do that again
2:26 BarrettBrown: I don't deserve to be accused of shit
2:27 ahriman: well here's the other thing, the article didn't say what you claimed
2:27 BarrettBrown: dude
2:28 BarrettBrown: that's two false accusations shot down already
2:28 BarrettBrown: accept that you have failed to understand some things
2:28 BarrettBrown: and move on
2:28 ahriman: uhh... i think both of my assertions are correct
2:28 BarrettBrown: No, the title was indeed in google cache
2:28 BarrettBrown: it's all over google
2:28 ahriman: you even admitted you got the title wrong
2:28 BarrettBrown: I got one word in one title wrong
2:28 ahriman: and then your link didn't match your article
2:28 BarrettBrown: dude
2:28 ahriman: and then your article didn't say what you claimed
2:28 ahriman: read the stuff we wrote
2:28 BarrettBrown: that was the title
2:29 SecurityManKillJoy: I'd say this isn't worth the e-drama
2:29 BarrettBrown: GO LOOK AT THAT LINK
2:29 ahriman: I DID.
2:29 ahriman: but that WAS NOT the link you put in the press release
2:29 BarrettBrown: And you saw that the title I used was indeed the original title of that article?
2:29 BarrettBrown: No, they changed it
2:29 ahriman: i even checked your older link
2:29 BarrettBrown: that's why it still says it at that link
2:29 BarrettBrown: I know, they changed it there then
2:29 BarrettBrown: I work in the media, sweetheart
2:30 BarrettBrown: I know what I'm talking about
2:30 BarrettBrown: That title I used was the title of the article
2:30 BarrettBrown: you went to IRC cops to accuse me of god knows what
2:30 SecurityManKillJoy: yeah so I'm wondering if it should be cited as the old title or new
ahriman: i wash my hands of it, but suggest putting both titles and links to old and new
2:31 ahriman: but let's have the article content match the new, and turn the current article into a pdf
2:31 ahriman: if they change between now and later, we have the PDF to fall back on
2:31 BarrettBrown: can you please tell whichever IRC cops you accused me of potential wrongdoing that you made an error?
2:32 BarrettBrown: I really don't want rumors about me sabotaging Anonymous
2:32 ahriman: if  you look through the history here you'll see I included the possibility  of them changing the info - but i was looking at the google cache
2:32 BarrettBrown: that's sweet of you
2:32 BarrettBrown: just tell them you made a mistake, ok?
2:32 ahriman: I'll present both sides
2:32 BarrettBrown: ....
2:33 ahriman: including the likelihood they changed the article
2:33 ahriman: strong likelihood
2:33 SecurityManKillJoy: what happened to line 20?
2:33 ahriman: line 20 was based on old or wrong data



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