me: howdy me: I need to give you some information just in case I'm unable to provide it later me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Friedman me: the son of this fellow has been attempting to take control of our investigation into what we call "Metal Gear" me: His name is Barry Friedman me: Aside from his father, his brother is also a major figure in the "industry" and in fact gave a talk at the NATO conference in Brusells a few weeks back me: Barry is also emotionally unstable and has a long history within both the counterculture and intelligence communities me: He's also a longtime friend and possibly former agent (in the conventional business sense) of Gilman Louie Gráinne: Hmmm - who is gilman louie? Gráinne: do you have any more information you can give me? me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilman_Louie me: oh, tons Gráinne: whats metal gear? Gráinne: should i just look on wikipedia? Gráinne: brb me: http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Main_Page me: we've been working on some press on this Gráinne: ok but his son is trying to 'take it over' what are you implying? me: it's a long, weird story me: I'm still working with him to some extent Gráinne: ok but you are basically suspicous of him at the same time Gráinne: ? Gráinne: when were fake personas first documented? Gráinne: is all evidence started with the air force bid? me: hard to say, but that USAF was first thing to cause the current campaign of investigation me: one sec me: talking to Friedman me: okay me: anyway, it's a long story me: it's not so much that he was trying to take over Anonymous per se me: rather, he was being unusually forceful in trying to run Operation Metal Gear me: which I launched about two months back me: I went on Russia Today after we'd been working on it for 48 hours me: and announced it formally Gráinne: cool... Gráinne: when? me: some articles appeared me: in Forbes me: one sec Gráinne: how did i miss this? Gráinne: anyway - sometimes in working with you i feel like i'm in a spy novel me: well, I've been meaning to be more communicative Gráinne: like i'm this person thats receiving clues me: but I was getting off opiates Gráinne: that i'll have to pick up later on Gráinne: but maybe you are just helping me write a future book Gráinne: that sucks me: and as such I could barely answer my e-mails Gráinne: sorry to hear... me: oh, it's fine, I got back on me: Suboxone me: which is prescribed me: long story Gráinne: yes me: anyway Gráinne: ok so you launch Gráinne: dude shows up Gráinne: you figure out his pedigree me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N-n83g7nmw Gráinne: and then you are a little bit cautious? Gráinne: oh cool Gráinne: i'll watch alter me: that was announcement Gráinne: later Gráinne: all i ever see is playstation... me: which Russia Today was trying to turn into war on Pentagon me: whereas I was trying to tamp down our Pentagon conflict me: but that's another story me: so then a couple articles come out from reporters we'd tipped me: some of whom we're working with now me: so then Friedman gets wind me: contacts Topiary on twitter me: at this point I'm working with WhiteKidney, Baas, Topiary via Skype me: and feeding Anon info via our streaming radio program, IRC channels, etc Gráinne: wheres' your streaming radio? Gráinne: is it like public? me: Friedman joins us on skype, tells us about his long history in software, intel, counterculture me: oh, it only goes on occasionally, otherwise it's just Eurofag techno me: in this case they announced on IRC that'd I be making announcement me: so during this time the few of us are working in a sort of clandestine fashion Gráinne: ok me: which raises a lot of issues right there Gráinne: like how'd he get to your secret area? me: oh me: he just asked to talk to us Gráinne: ok me: we decided to let him onto our skype group me: and we hear him out me: decide he has plenty to offer me: which he does me: and he puts us on better track me: when it was just me leading, we were up against Booz Allen Hamilton me: we thought they were main factor in persona management, etc, which you can read about at our wiki me: Or see the articles, there've been some good ones Gráinne: yeah i've read about that thats why i was surprised that i missed metal gear Gráinne: so go on... me: http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201111/6939/Anonymous-Government-contractor-has-weaponized-social-media?page=1 me: anywho me: I named it Metal Gear after a video game me: so that these execs, feds would have to call each other using the term "Metal Gear" me: as there's more to life than just espionage, lulz remain important Gráinne: good to hear... Gráinne: go on! me: so, long story short, the guy's nuts, we don't get along, but we still trade info back and forth me: and there's a massive surveillance/manipulation operation going on Gráinne: does he admit to working with the government Gráinne: ? Gráinne: do you have any experience with infiltration?? Gráinne: have you talked to anyone with eperience? me: under joint U.S./U.K./Australia/New Zealand/Canada command me: same entity that runs Echelon me: nope, I have no experience with anything, really, although I've managed to attract a number of contacts/admirers over the last two years, including Barry Eisler, a former CIA Directorate of Operations fellow who has been helpful me: and I'm otherwise unusually equipped to deal with these things due to my own unusual background me: but no, he doesn't work for the government me: and in this intel bullshit, you reach a point at which "government" is no longer a useful term me: anyway, there's a lot more going on here Gráinne: well the larger government Gráinne: ... Gráinne: someone unfriendly Gráinne: its been that way for some time me: he Gráinne: ok but go on Gráinne: sorry for interrupting you! me: is not working for the shadow government, if that me: is what you mean Gráinne: this is the way i talk in rl too Gráinne: with all the interruptions Gráinne: and i'm sorry to do it over gcht Gráinne: at Gráinne: so well what do you suspect him of being? Gráinne: do you want to just call me on the phone tomorrow sometime? me: sure