Re: Who are you?
Subject: Re: Who are you?
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 3/20/11, 16:22
To: Inverted Vantage <invertedvantage@gmail.com>

I'm not sure whom I'm "forcibly" shutting out of a network I designed and am having built, and I'd ask you to rethink your definition of "force." Incidentally, I've changed my mind about keeping social conservatives out of my proposed network; the nature of the schematic is such that I think that even the most degenerate of people can be given the same chance to participate as anyone elsewithout fucking up the information flow, and this is explained in one of my more recent videos. So, basically, I strongly considered not letting people who oppose gay marriage and support consensual crime laws participate in something that I and other people put our sweat into with no prospect of monetary gain - at a loss, actually - but then decided against it and will now allow even those who think I am going to hell to use something I built. I hope that addresses your concerns. At any rate, the network may never get built; I've moved on to something bigger that I think will help to provide even better alternatives to those who  are unhappy with the current, force-based system.

I can tell you that I have a very stern set of values myself, which is why I'm putting myself at considerable risk for this cause. As for the rest, I can't tell you much at this point because we're being probed by a number of state agencies as well as contractors and other third parties and we are meanwhile conducting an investigation into "metal gear" software that involves some heavy players. The action is all around; we've got a piece of it.

As for paying back our debt, I think I know to what you are alluding but I'd like to hear it from you.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Inverted Vantage <invertedvantage@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm saying you sound like someone who so strongly believes they're right that they're willing to forcibly shut out the other side - just like the conservatives. Whether or not I agree with what you're saying isn't really relevant - I worry about any group or individual who purports to be for the greater good but who's proposals are exclusatory by nature.

As for who I am, I don't mind identifying - I'm not Anon and I'm not anon. When I say compromise myself I meant more in the values sense. I'm Jordan, and I'm trying to find out where the action is. Who's pouring the fuel, so they say. I don't have any specific questions other than trying to see who's currently doing things and seeing what it is they're doing. What I've been occupying myself with of late is trying to boil down everything to the simplest possibility - the one sentence that doesn't require a ton of explaining about how the banking system works, or who's really in control, or who's fighting who - basically something that you can tell to someone and use as a springboard to discuss everything else. At the moment, I have found that sentence to be "We must start paying back our debt".
What are your thoughts on that?


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
Normally I'd be happy to tell you what #OpNoPro is as I do value discussions with strangers since they often turn out to be helpful, but in this case I can't do that quite yet. 

I'm not sure what you mean about the video; you're saying I sound like a social conservative?

I work with several people who are unwilling to identify or compromise themselves and I'd be happy to discuss more with you. Ask your questions a little bit more directly, though, so that I can better answer them. I get a sense of what you're asking about, but want to be sure.


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Inverted Vantage <invertedvantage@gmail.com> wrote:
What is Op/No/Pro?

To me, you sound a lot like the side in this video that you're attempting to shut out and discredit.

How should I look at that?

I watched another one of your videos, rather interesting thought process.

I'd be interested in what you might have to say to a stranger, trying to help those around him, but who is unwilling to compromise themself in the process.



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Barrett Brown
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Regards,

Barrett Brown
512-560-2302