Kermelos: i was referring to what you call "traditional activists" me: and that they debate this same issue and try to contend with it? me: oh me: sorry me: yes, many of them me: not all, of course me: but either way, their work is ineffective me: they're not adapting to the environment Kermelos: exactly. there is not much glory in being involved in Africa....news outlets dont give a dick Kermelos: the only time you see news blurps is when there is some sort of bob geldoff-esque savior involved me: Kermelos, it's now my view that we're reaching a critical mass in terms of consciousness of the interconnected flaws of media and government me: and that these revolutions will be accompanied by significant movements in the U.S. me: not traditional movements Kermelos: i am starting to believe so also me: but something akin to the change of consciousness in the '60s me: some of the business reporters me: They love us me: like, people from Bloomberg me: because me: we don't lie to them me: and they see that our concerns are theirs me: anyone who pays attention knows these things me: the trick is to get them to realize that now things are easier to change if only clever and ethical people will stop and think about how we can now organize and implement