me: this guy me: although, again, the decision is usually democratic me: these days Tim: So you're organizing the botnet. Building it. Kinda. But you don't control it, actually USE it to launch the DDoS. Someone else does it. Tim: Am I close? me: someone technical does that me: it's a group effort me: and I don't know particulars me: one of those things I shouldn't know Tim: But you decide who gets control of my machine. How do you do that unless you know WHO the person is who will have control of my machine? Tim: Maybe I'll just have your girlfriend explain all this to me.