me: well me: how many did they mention in article? me: it appeared in 2002 me: some of his kids are young me: and it might have been written earlier me: suffice to say me: that he himself has all but acknowledged it was him Patrick: I think I tried to figure out when they were born me: I didn't realize others thought that was under dispute or I would have made the case more plainly Patrick: But I forget the details me: like I said, we confirmed it me: can't rememeber how me: but it was good enough for the lawyers and fact-checkers me: anyway me: yeah, the guy is just overly pro-white me: I don't really care me: I'm not concerned about the extent to which someone is into his racial heritage, etc me: that's small beer me: it''s just that he also makes accusations of racism me: and so have a lot of his colleagues me: without acknowledging this me: it's the dishonesty that infuriates me me: anyway me: back to the matter me: assuming this Donald Douglas article isn't damaging me: I'm assuming that, I mean me: agreed? me: oh, ok me: just noticed that Jeff's piece is #2 me: I see