Patrick: How is it that Think Progress is reporting that the Chamber of Commerce dug up info on Velvet Revolution -- yet we only see e-mails about Brad Friedman and not about his partner, convicted bomber Brett Kimberlin? me: Velvet Revolution? me: You and I may use differing terminology me: I don't read Think PRess as they get their info from us Patrick: It's almost as if Think Progress didn't publish the e-mails about Kimberlin that certainly were sent me: Nor am I a liberal, remember me: one sec me: I should note that we've been going over tens of thousands of e-mails me: plus docs that Barr wanted to sell to FBI, with my name in them Patrick: Velvet Revolution is the organization that Brad Friedman set up with convicted bomber Brett Kimberlin me: who's this person? me: oic me: I'll make sure it's run me: give me a summary, plz? me: Then I'll go through raws and find it all Patrick: I have written about Kimberlin me: You know we have an app up by which you can search through all the e-mails, right? me: anonleaks.ru me: it goes up and down me: we're building mirrors me: I'll tell you, though Patrick: http://patterico.com/2010/10/11/brad-friedmans-partner-and-buddy-a-convicted-bomber-perjurer-and-drug-smuggler-suspected-murderer-and-election-integrity-hero/ me: that I spoke to Tom Callamore on Friday me: of the Chamber me: and spoke to Aaron Barr on Sunday, right after we jacked his info and took over HBGary's server me: neither did very well me: okay, so Kilberlin is a terrorist me: and Brad... me: okay, how does this involve Chamber? me: As I said, I've been kind of busy with the conspiracy against Greenwald, Wikileaks, and me and my friends Patrick: Think Progress says they were gathering info on Friedman me: the one done by federal contractors me: does this info come from our heist? Patrick: Yes me: Ok me: who do these people work for, one of the firms? Patrick: These people? Friedman? me: Yeah, who's Brad Friedman? me: I've got a cast of characters here about a hundred strong me: and like I said me: we're kind of at war me: so I don't know who this is me: to put it another way me: did you do a piece on Greenwald? Patrick: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/10/chamberleaks-target-families/ Patrick: No me: You know, this campaign to commit crimes in order to destroy him? me: ok Patrick: I know very little about it me: but you want ThinkProgress to cover certain things? me: Maybe you should read some different venues me: Greenwald's a friend Patrick: They're going to cover what they cover me: and even if he weren't me: yeah, same with you me: right? me: Like, I can give you scoops me: I've been handing them out like candy to Bloomberg et al me: Some of these might even help conservatives me: Speaking of which me: We're going after Chavez soon me: You guys really should consider working with us Patrick: Feels too . . . illegal me: Anonymous is an anarcho-libertarian movement to the extent that it has politics me: lol me: Would you be willing to work with Chamber of Commerce? me: cause they do illegal shit, too me: Except they do it to those who've done nothing except for present opinions Patrick: Maybe not, depending on what they were doing me: whereas we do it to people who try to wrongly accuse people to the FBI me: I'm assuming you have'nt seen my Guardian piece? me: on why we do what we do? me: Or the Bloomberg piece on us? Patrick: The only thing that got my attention about all this was the angle having to do with the convicted bomber Patrick: Nope me: I'll bet Patrick: But send the links me: Look me: We're seriously at war here Patrick: I have limited time and my own reasons -- the bomber has threatened a lawsuit against me. That tends to get your attention me: Yeah, and I've got the feds after me Patrick: He has done much else as well Patrick: Yup Patrick: So that has your attention me: plus several security firms with NSA ties me: yes, but we're still on Tunisia me: and Egypt me: the latter, no thanks to the folks who have decided that Muslim Brotherhood is behind this me: If you look me: You'll see that I called Egypt me: before it began me: the reason is me: that we have good intel me: and of course are involved me: so, regarding those of your friends who are going with MB angle on Egypt me: I'd ask them to show where they've gotten results in terms of predictions, etc me: I work directly with Egyptian protest leaders me: I didn't use to talk about this shit because no one was going to believe me anyway me: Sorry, I don't mean to be standoffish me: We've just had a busy week me: Now, as for Friedman Patrick: Interesting me: can you summarize who he is, etc? me: If you can me: I'll put some people on it me: Do you know much about Anon? Patrick: Professes to be an "election integrity" guy. me: oic me: love those types me: they were popular in Nicaragua, lol me: as P.J. O'Rourke noted back when he was good Patrick: No, don't do anything with him Patrick: Christ me: No, I'm kidding me: wait, what? me: Maybe you should call me Patrick: OK, jokes don't always translate on chat me: 512-560-2302 Patrick: Anyway, he is partnered with a convicted bomber me: okay Patrick: Who wants to sue me me: so is Obama Patrick: Not business partners me: ? me: oh me: And this is all in the public record, right? Patrick: Friedman is the guy who credits himself with revealing that the ACORN videos were supposedly a hoax Patrick: Yes Patrick: I fought him on it Patrick: He and Kimberlin have tried to get me fired me: okay me: for what are they suing you? me: or trying to? Patrick: Written numerous posts distorting the facts me: libel or some shit? Patrick: For writing about the fact that Kimberlin is a convicted bomber Patrick: Yes, libel me: I imagine it's bullshit, right? Patrick: Kimberlin has called my office and claimed I am stalking him Patrick: complete and utter bullshit me: heh me: that's a funny way to go about it Patrick: Friedman's association with Kimberlin discredits him when people find out who Kimberlin is Patrick: So they try to squash it Patrick: I'm quite sure the Chamber was interested in Kimberlin if they were interested in Friedman Patrick: So Think Progress portrays Brad as a victim Patrick: But not a word about Kimberlin Patrick: Which I found interesting me: I see Patrick: Anyway, the search engine is what I was looking for me: Do you know what Chamber was trying to do via those other firms? Patrick: Not really me: HBGary, etc? me: Okay Patrick: Nope me: here me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSl9L6XNQKI me: two minutes Patrick: The Think Progress piece sounded to me like they were gathering social media intel me: heh me: no me: I have all the e-mails me: some of which are public, some of which I'm still going through me: they wanted to release a fake document in such a way as that the unions or some such would obtain it me: and run it me: rather, just watch this clip me: from Friday Patrick: Oh, I think I did see something about that. Yeah, that's despicable me: at any rate, I've never talked to Think Progress me: been working with Bloomberg me: NYT me: al-JAzeera me: others me: some Japanese TV show me: we made the first round of e-mails available for download first night we got em me: and then media started going through me: the thing is me: there are a lot of stories here me: like, a lot me: touching on NSA and whatnot me: I spoke to NSA lady a few days back me: regarding Stuxnet me: which, thanks to the incompetence of the federal contractor crowd me: we now have me: bottom line is me: we're at war me: burt me: but me: I've split my own org into two me: one faction stays with me me: the other goes with one of our tops guys and continues overt, respectable, non-illegal ops me: you might look into it at some point me: they're trying to build secular, liberty-oriented institutions in Tunisia, etc me: meanwhile me: I'm in talks with the fellow who wrote Nepal's constitution me: about creating a framework for Tunisia me: which I guess is now a confirmed operation although of course this is in early stages me: Jenik Radon is the fellow me: this is off the record for now, btw me: so me: If you have any interest in joining the team me: let me know me: if you need to verify this stuff me: talk to Barry Eisler me: ex-CIA directorate of operations fellow Patrick: I am firmly against doing anything illegal, just so you and the FBI agents monitoring this chat know me: now a novelist, commentator me: heh me: like I said me: well, should also note I'm not a hacker me: certainly people within state of California engage in crimes? me: as in, employees me: cops, etc me: obstruction me: but you're not a criminal me: neither am I Patrick: Yes. I prosecute them if the crimes are bad enough me: and as I said me: of course me: anywho, there are a lot of options, totally legal and overt me: and the constitution thing me: might be up your alley Patrick: Fair enough. Too busy to make much of it now, but thanks for the offer me: Okay, thanks for considering me: now, regarding Friedman me: you want us to look through e-mails for that? Patrick: For what? me: I don't know, why'd you come to me on this again? Patrick: Actually, pretty much to ask what you told me: is there some place on the Web where all this shit is? me: ah, yes me: as I said Patrick: Because I figure they looked into Kimberlin if they looked into Friedman me: anonleaks.ru is shaky me: was up all week but been up and down depending on one's location today me: if you have problems, let me know me: and I'll see what else is available me: we actually have a much better version going up soon me: trying to find a server for it Patrick: Also: Think Progress makes it sound like Friedman's home address was disclosed. They redact it. But Friedman posts an address on his own damn site that looks like a home address -- a place to send checks. I wanted to see if that is the address they got me: ah me: yeah, you can see raws via that site me: I never download the file itself me: as I'm on shitty connection at the moment Patrick: I'm doing a search and not finding this stuff me: try a sample search real quick me: look up Endgame me: I mean, are any searches working? Patrick: Yes me: okay Patrick: Maybe I'm just using it wrong me: are you sure these come from us? me: our stuff was extracted from HBGary servers me: includes messages from other folks only to the extent that they were e-mailing HBGary folks Patrick: When I put in "bradley louis friedman los angeles" I get e-mails that do not have those terms me: or Aaron Barr himself, as we got all his e-mails me: oh me: I'd just search Friedman me: try that Patrick: I put that in because Think Progress listed that as his name and location me: tell me what happens me: wait, give me link to ThinkProgress piece? Patrick: Yeah, but there are 63 results me: let me make sure these are ours me: you know that to the extent you look around Patrick: I think I gave it to you up the chat thread, no? me: you'll find incredible scoops, right? me: lemme see Patrick: Maybe not me: k me: got it me: okay, so Think Progress redacted the info for the guy's partner Patrick: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/10/chamberleaks-target-families/ me: this is partner as in gay lover? Patrick: Don't think so me: yeah, I got it, you did give it earlier me: so what you're saying is that Think Progress intentionally avoided using the name? Patrick: I think it's for his "life partner" which is different from Kimberlin, his business partner me: of the bomb enthusiast? Patrick: Right me: ok Patrick: Who set off bombs and blew off a guy's leg Patrick: More than an enthusiast Patrick: Which guy later killed himself me: yeah, I was being wry, it's very sad me: much sadder than anything that hurts conservatives, of course me: lol me: anyway me: frankly, I can see why me: as an editorial decision me: they would keep the info out of the story me: even without knowing who the guy is Patrick: Sure Patrick: Doesn't help their cause me: your background is in law, I guess? me: not media me: or me: it could be what you're saying me: there's not going to be any way to prove it by seeing the e-mails me: unless I'm missing something Patrick: They want to make the Chamber look bad. If the Chamber was gathering info on one of these people being a convicted bomber, that doesn't help me: well me: right now, Pat Patrick: Well, if they redacted Brad's address which he puts himself on his site, it makes him less of a martyr me: the Chamber is known to have looked at gathering intel on people's children Patrick: It didn't look that way to me me: it's not like they said, "Oh, just this one guy who bombed someone" me: Yeah, but you're not capable of making that call yet me: You haven't been going through these e-mails and drafts for a week Patrick: It looked like they got info on a Chamber guy's children to show how easy it is me: lololololol me: no, it doesn't me: You need to do your homework on this one me: I'll show you in a second me: Chamber wasn't trying to show everyone that they need to be careful me: for instance me: they weren't going to leak that document in order to make the union look bad me: just to show how easy it is me: or, contrarily me: we just hacked into those people's servers in order to show how easy it is me: in which case, yeah, I love your take and I'd love you to defend us me: oolooolooololololl me: seriously, though me: need to read the e-mails me: HBGary specialized in certain things me: as did their NSA-affiliated buddies me: among those things Patrick: Hahahaha me: were trying to break into Greenwald's financial records Patrick: Found it me: ah, did you? me: on anonleaks.ru? Patrick: Kimberlin is mentioned in the same fucking e-mail me: well, there you go! me: aren't you glad we're out there doing our thing? me: don't tell me you're not having fun right now me: you are me: it's fun as shit me: and now you've got your story Patrick: Thanks for that link Patrick: Give me the stuff about what they have been doing me: oh, happy to give it out, I assure you me: who? me: chamber? Patrick: So I can do my homework Patrick: Yes me: K me: but they're not the most interesting ones me: just the most high-profile me: what you want to look at me: oh, also Patrick: I only want links to things that are out there on the Internet me: of course Patrick: Remember, FBI agents, I don't commit crimes! me: http://www.mediafire.com/file/7vb98xu7cobcif2/AaronBarrBarrettBrownLULZ.wma me: heh me: I can tell you that Bloomberg et al are using stuff that's not out there me: we give out favors, remember me: we love our friends in the business press me: but listen to that recording me: before you look into the rest me: will give you an overview of how this went down and why me: I'll tell you something else funny me: we got into all of Aaron Barr's accounts due to him using same passwords on all of them me: except me: EXCEPT me: for his World of Warcraft account. me: he kept that secure me: otherwise I'd be playing his character right now me: also me: when you put up your story me: give me link me: and I'll shoot it around Patrick: Big Media publishes all sorts of classified and other illegal shit that a) they shouldn't and b) I wouldn't dare me: true Patrick: As engaging as I find you, I'm not sure we see eye to eye on hacking me: well me: I'm not a hacker me: let's put it this wway me: I come from a military family me: mostly air force me: mostly bombers, up until 80s me: they all blew up children in fighting fascism and communism me: I just help hackers hack things to fight corruption me: it's all, like, RELATIVE, man. You're just too, like, ESTABLISHMENT, maaaan. me: srsly though me: hacking is a very small part of what we do me: Anon is chaning me: we're into nation-building now Patrick: I am indeed too establishment, I'll grant you me: lol me: I'm kidding Patrick: I never wear beanies, for example me: my second in command is a retired gov't lawyer me: dude, I only wear polo shirts me: I went to school with Bush kids me: all the conservatives have me all wrong Patrick: YOU WEAR A BEANIE. I'VE SEEN IT me: oh, that me: well me: I wear ralph lauren jackets with it me: also it's a running gag with Diary of Daedalus me: before I befriended that tribe me: they talked about my hair a lot me: but it's mainly because it's actually snowing in Dallas me: and I'm not big on that shit me: you lose most heat through your head me: and feet me: also me: anything interesting happen in blogosphere lately? me: fights, drama, etc? me: Goldstein? Patrick: Nah me: if he ever fucks with you again me: I'll give you certain e-mails me: lol Patrick: As long as they're not hacked! me: heh Patrick: We did get into again somewhat recently Patrick: Maybe a month ago? me: lol bout what? Patrick: Charles Johnson was lying about me to try to get people to threaten my job me: oh, I saw that Patrick: I noted that it was not the first time someone had done that to me and referenced Goldstein obliquely me: he lies about me too now Patrick: He went apeshit Patrick: So I proved it me: really? me: so Goldstein took time off from work to attack you, eh? Patrick: He likes to pretend I went after him on Google and he never did me: he'll fight you me: he wrestles me: by my count, he's killed like 300 people so far me: assuming he followed through on threats Patrick: He wrote a post with my name and job title -- several actually -- and linked it dozens of times to bump it up on Google me: ah me: well me: let me know Patrick: Since he denied trying to harm me professionally, I laid that out me: oh, wait me: he's already Google fucked me: you should see the SAdly, No compilation Patrick: Not as bad as me me: are you? Patrick: Google Patrick Frey Patrick: One of his bullshit posts is on the first page me: I'm assuming it's transparent BS, though, of the sort that anyone who matters can see through? me: I'll look though me: meanwhile I'm getting off opiates me: decided to make my old heroin addiction public me: to avoid it being revealed by someone else Patrick: No, it's a link to another post that would take hours to debunk even though it's utter bullshit me: oic me: Well me: That can be changed me: by one of several methods Patrick: Oh? me: yep me: I'll have to think a bit about details me: you need to remember me: and this is something I don't say publicly me: NYT just refers to me as "Barrett Brown," for instance me: others as "informal spokesman" me: Anonymous has no leaders me: or titles me: but certain people have more influence than others me: now, should note, I'm not talking about anything illegal me: I don't commit crimes me: off the top of my head, though me: hmmm me: let me Google goldstein real quick me: hmm me: Goldstein has top three results as positive references, plus one referring to someone else with same name me: then Sadly No piece me: which you really should read, by the way me: it can be changed such that top result is an article by mee Patrick: Oh, I have read it me: on Encyclopedia Dramatica me: detailing everything me: now me: obviously a direct approach would not wokr me: as in, a bargain whereby he deletes or allows you to respond within the post me: he won't accept that me: most people would me: but most people aren't already fucked me: in case I'm being cryptic me: I'll note that on a couple of occasions I have had employers who owed me money me: and refused to pay up me: until such time as I made it such that the top result for their name was an account of their flaws and failures me: oh, you may have seen what I did to my girlfriend's faggot roommate me: MCCain and Donald Douglas both ran the video me: I took it down after he moved out me: again, though, not likely to work me: but Darleen Click me: she probably wouldn't like it if I were to reveal me: that she asked me for favors Patrick: ? me: help getting into Mad Magazine, lol me: I've got the e-mails me: understand that I am considered a great villain over there Patrick: Oh, for her cartoons? me: and she folded like a fucking umbrella as soon as I offered help me: being a person of no real virtue me: yeah, her "cartoons" me: not very talented, regardless of the politics me: ham-fisted me: that's just something to consider in terms of relevant elements, thoguh me: lemme google you real quick me: I may have to bring some specialists in on this Patrick: Hm me: sorry, fucking GF bitching at me on IM, just ignoring her now Patrick: Fucking GF! me: damn right me: oh, Douglas hates you too? me: oh me: oh shit me: over McCain! me: okay, dude, we're gonna get this taken care of me: fucking Douglas Patrick: The Donalde? me: yeah Patrick: Yeah me: fucking douche me: disingenuous me: I really respected you for being honest about McCain me: because most are't me: might hurt the precious cause Patrick: I've tried to mend fences with McCain. I don't think he's necessarily a bad man. I have not retracted and never will retract my belief that the statement I criticized him for was racist. But I still don't know that he is A racist. Full disclosure me: I mean, I know you don't know all of it me: I don't dislike him me: we talk occasionally me: I talk to most of my enemies me: but, yeah, he has some beliefs that he won't admit to Patrick: Do I fall in that category? :) Patrick: I don't think so me: well, he did write that article for American Renaissance me: now, the article itself is not anti-black Patrick: Not so sure about that me: remember that I'm not a liberal me: I don't cry racism over nothing me: and I don't refer to him as racist Patrick: I researched his kids and I think it didn't quite add up me: dude me: I'm from Texas Patrick: The number of kids he had, that is me: wait, what? Patrick: The American Renaissance article me: no, that was him Patrick: The person who wrote it talked about how many kids he had me: he hasn't said otherwise himself Patrick: Wasn't it under a pen name? me: yes me: the one he used elsewhere me: I put this in my book, man Patrick: I don't think it's the same number of kids me: it went through fact checkers and lawyers me: well me: how many did they mention in article? me: it appeared in 2002 me: some of his kids are young me: and it might have been written earlier me: suffice to say me: that he himself has all but acknowledged it was him Patrick: I think I tried to figure out when they were born me: I didn't realize others thought that was under dispute or I would have made the case more plainly Patrick: But I forget the details me: like I said, we confirmed it me: can't rememeber how me: but it was good enough for the lawyers and fact-checkers me: anyway me: yeah, the guy is just overly pro-white me: I don't really care me: I'm not concerned about the extent to which someone is into his racial heritage, etc me: that's small beer me: it''s just that he also makes accusations of racism me: and so have a lot of his colleagues me: without acknowledging this me: it's the dishonesty that infuriates me me: anyway me: back to the matter me: assuming this Donald Douglas article isn't damaging me: I'm assuming that, I mean me: agreed? me: oh, ok me: just noticed that Jeff's piece is #2 me: I see me: pseudo-sarcastic charge of Semitism me: Protein Wisdom specialty me: well, for one thing me: as you're aware, to the extent that something else pushes it down, it gets... pushed down me: to the extent you break some stories from those e-mails me: that will help me: but me: that's not enough me: I'd like to see Jeff beaten more severely me: might have to think this over me: talk to my Anons, etc me: there's always a way Patrick: Hm Patrick: As long as any way is legal, I'm all for it me: well me: what if it's legal... me: but Patrick: Do I need to hear the rest? me: nope Patrick: There you go Patrick: It's legal, you say? Great! me: Good man me: Hooray! me: Yeah, we'll get on this