me: Hello. me: Do you remember me? Project PM? Kermelos: hi Kermelos: yes i do me: We've been working on Tunisia and Egypt me: among other things me: get back to me when you have a chance if you'd like to discuss me: Although Kermelos: im free now me: Well, I should tell you a few things first me: I have split Project PM into two organizations me: One will be led by Campbell Vertesi and will continue the various projects we've begun. me: The other will continue with me and will be involved in revolutionary activities in conjunction with people from Anonymous Kermelos: ok i see. Kermelos: when u say revolutionary activities what all does that entail? me: It means various non-violent activities that violate the laws of various dictatorships me: such as those in Egypt, where we took down government websites me: as well as in the U.S. me: see HBGary Federal me: check the news me: LArgely we're putting together dark nets and providing technical expertise to activists across the Middle East me: and elsewhere me: soon, a certain Africa nation Kermelos: can u disclose what that nation is? me: Keep it quiet for now me: Eritrea Kermelos: WHAT???? me: You are familiar with Eritrea, I see? me: We have contacts Kermelos: absolutly me: Although we don't need them me: But they help me: I've met with a fellow me: U.S. citizen now me: was jailed by Eritrea for informing NGOs on human rights abuses me: Anonymous has become rather powerful me: and I am close to everyone involved me: Some have already been informed me: This operation will take time me: And in the meantime we have work to do in Libya and of course we will not forget Tunisia me: As you know, Eritrea is a difficult situation me: People will die because of what we are going to do. Kermelos: people have died for less. me: That's why I've brought in some new advisers me: Of course. me: Suffice to say we are capable of all kinds of things now. Kermelos: so what is it you expect for people like me Kermelos: *from me: Well me: A lot of our work me: is not covert me: It can be done by respectable people like you. me: It involves making new contacts among populations that need expertise and assistance with internet organizing me: If you can, you should download an IRC client like IceChat me: and go to irc.freenode.net #projectpm me: talk to some of our people me: they'll show you things Kermelos: how do you discern with whom you are sharing this information? me: It's a very unusual process me: In terms of Eritrea and such things, we share with those we trust me: I've looked into you and consider you to be on our side of things. me: I haven't made any mistakes in that regard, ever. Kermelos: why do you feel you have the right to meddle in eritrea or any of these countries? me: I don't have the right. Kermelos: ok. me: Do you know much about me? Kermelos: vaguely me: I suggest searching the recent news for my name me: That will make this process a bit easier me: At any rate, I was asked for help. me: We don't choose which countries to involve ourselves in. me: They choose us. Kermelos: i see. me: Obviously, the whole country does not decide unanimously to choose us me: But then a whole country can go to war, make laws, execute and torture people, without anything close to unanimity. me: I consider governments to have no more rights than I do. me: And it is the governments with which we are in conflict. me: We don't hurt people. me: We don't kill them. Kermelos: right i get that Kermelos: im just trying to figure out if you are an armchair revolutionary me: Literally, yes. Kermelos: so many of those floating around on the web me: Would you like to speak to some Tunisians? me: Or some Egyptians? Kermelos: yes. sure me: Okay. me: download an IRC client and get on irc.anonops.ru #opegypt me: I can arrange for you to speak to a few via e-mail as well me: If you'd like to speak to protest organizers via phone, e-mail this person Kermelos: i dig the energy behind what you guys are doing, i just have a few questions/concerns is all. i'll figure it out as i go. me: <siri.vita@yahoo.com> Kermelos: thx me: I understand your concerns. me: Some of what has been done recently is unprecedented and difficult to believe. me: But it was inevitable insomuch as that the tools are now available by which to do these things. me: see my last op-ed for The Guardian me: also, see my article from a year ago in The Huffington Post, Anonymous and the Nation State me: or something like that me: had varying titles at different venues Kermelos: im reading them now me: Take your time. I'll be here in my armchair. Kermelos: lool Kermelos: i dont want to inundate you with all my questions Kermelos: but-- guess my point is im not tech savy nor have the time to be as invested in cyber activism...im not sure of what use i could be for Anonymous. Kermelos: though i do find what you guys are doing really fascinating. for sure this is an uncharted territory and it's incredible watching the govts, laws and public opinion mold and play catch up me: Yes. me: At any rate, the other Project PM, the "legal" faction, is safe. me: Does everything openly me: I am no longer associated with it Kermelos: i see. me: you should e-mail Clark Robinson. me: robinsonchicago@gmail.com me: He knows who you are Kermelos: does he? me: And he'll provide you with some documents that will explain the specifics me: Yes, he knows everyone who applied to work with Project PM me: I mean, he knows your name Kermelos: right me: He's a retired lawyer for the Social Security administration in U.S. me: One of my most trusted people and someone who's helped me build Project PM Kermelos: if you dont mind me asking, was there a divisive reason as to why you are no longer associate with PM? or you just couldnt resist the allure of being a part of this "transnational revolution"? me: Oh, I split it into two the other day me: Because several people are nervous about associating with Anon at this time me: And in order to protect them as well as the scientists, etc me: This is the best option. me: Only one actually quit Kermelos: quit what? me: a finance guy who can't be associated with anything of this nature me: he was head of finances and worked on several of our project me: guy in NYC me: we're still friends me: he just has good reasons for not continuing me: although I think he'll rejoin the legal faction Kermelos: i see. me: I think that if you talk to some of our people me: Like Mano Singham of Case Western University me: or Barry Eisler, ex-CIA me: you'll learn that I am a very ethical person me: and that our organization is the best way of using one's efforts to create positive change Kermelos: i don't doubt your convictions. me: I didn't mean to emphasize my convictions, really me: I want you to talk to these others so that they call tell you things that it would not be proper to tell you about myself Kermelos: lol Kermelos: ok i see. Kermelos: ill contact them for the sake of knowledge...curiosity. perhaps once i have a clearer picture i can be more involved. me: Of course. me: I appreciate you taking the time to consider it, Kermelos. Kermelos: its all good, thanks for graciously sharing all this info. me: Always happy to try to recruit. Kermelos: yea you got your sales repertoire down pat