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From:
Clark Robinson <robinsonchicago@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:32 PM
Subject: transcript
To: Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>
(5:33:31 PM) The topic for #projectpm is: ProjectPM - now on IRC!
(5:38:31 PM) ryannon [~ryannon@81-65-158-82.rev.numericable.fr] entered the room.
(5:39:00 PM) mr[a] [~mra]@nat67.mia.three.co.uk] entered the room.
(5:39:14 PM) mr[a]: im here
(5:39:42 PM) PK3: wilkommen
(5:39:46 PM) ryannon: hello from paris
(5:40:01 PM) TheMiNd left the room (quit: ).(5:40:45 PM) BarrettBrown: hello, paris
(5:40:51 PM) BarrettBrown: we have lots of Parisians coming tonight
(5:40:52 PM) Morpork: hello from next to you =)
(5:40:57 PM) BarrettBrown: we'll start in one hour 20 minutes
(5:41:08 PM) mr[a]: okay
(5:41:12 PM) Morpork: parisian dont sleep
(5:41:13 PM) Morpork: s
(5:41:20 PM) ryannon: Hi Barrett
(5:41:25 PM) BarrettBrown: here is the Anonymous op-ed that will appear on al-Jazeera soon
(5:41:26 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.typewith.me/zFRMGf5yK3
(5:41:29 PM) BarrettBrown: ryannon: hello
(5:41:45 PM) BarrettBrown: here is main page of links to our operations:
http://typewith.me/optunisia
(5:42:07 PM) BarrettBrown: here is the next document we'll be putting out soon, the most important one yet:
http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O
(5:42:17 PM) BarrettBrown: feel free to chat, plan, etc while we wait
(5:42:57 PM) ryannon: standing by...
(5:43:00 PM) BarrettBrown: if you have specific ideas, you can note them on those pads, or talk about them here
(5:43:01 PM) mr[a]: we start at 7 est?
(5:43:04 PM) BarrettBrown: yes
(5:43:12 PM) BarrettBrown: bring in anyone else who might be helpful
(5:43:32 PM) mr[a]: okay
(5:44:59 PM) scottNY [~new@pool-108-21-104-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] entered the room.
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(5:45:17 PM) mmxanon left the room (quit: Quit: AndroIRC).(5:49:11 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome, all
(5:49:19 PM) BarrettBrown: we'll begin in an hour
(5:49:22 PM) BarrettBrown: yo, Scott
(5:49:27 PM) BarrettBrown: everyone, this is Scott Mintz
(5:49:34 PM) BarrettBrown: he's one of the major participants of Project PM
(5:49:42 PM) mr[a]: hai
(5:49:46 PM) Renato: hey
(5:49:46 PM) proje568: que tal
(5:49:48 PM) Renato: from ny?
(5:49:53 PM) PK3: ohai
(5:49:55 PM) BarrettBrown: he's worked with Gregg Housh, whom some of you know as the fellow who speaks to the media about Anon now thatScientology has outed him
(5:49:59 PM) BarrettBrown: he lives in NYC
(5:50:03 PM) BarrettBrown: and works in finance
(5:50:20 PM) PK3: finance?
(5:50:26 PM) PK3: is he a good witch or a bad witch?
(5:50:30 PM) BarrettBrown: RobinsonChicago: Clark Robinson, a retired lawyer with the U.S. social security administration
(5:50:33 PM) BarrettBrown: he's a good one, PK
(5:50:38 PM) BarrettBrown: or he wouldn't be here
(5:50:45 PM) PK3: heh, kk :)
(5:50:47 PM) mr[a]: Well as its midnigght where i am and im knackered so im gunna have to go soon
(5:50:52 PM) BarrettBrown: he's done a lot to build up this organization
(5:51:03 PM) PK3: mr[a] i'll get you a transcript
(5:51:05 PM) BarrettBrown: mr[a]: we'll produce notes from meeting
(5:51:09 PM) BarrettBrown: that too
(5:51:19 PM) mr[a]: Thanks
(5:51:34 PM) BarrettBrown: Robinson has helped to build Project PM by adding talented journalists, scientists, and others
(5:51:34 PM) Renato: may i have the notes too?
(5:51:42 PM) mr[a]: Well cya and good luck
(5:51:44 PM) BarrettBrown: of course
(5:51:52 PM) BarrettBrown: I'll put them on a pad
(5:51:59 PM) PK3: pm us for the links
(5:52:20 PM) mr[a]: Email me the link please
(5:52:23 PM) Renato: probably i will be here just in case if i won`t be here
(5:52:31 PM) Renato: i would like to read about this reunion
(5:52:32 PM) PK3: no worries
(5:52:33 PM) mr[a]: When its done
(5:52:42 PM) mr[a]: bai
(5:52:58 PM) Renato: now Ronaldinho Gaucho plays in Flamengo i gotta watch the match hahaha
(5:53:09 PM) BarrettBrown: lol k
(5:53:40 PM) mr[a] left the room (quit: ).
(5:54:03 PM) Renato: but i am really interested that
(5:54:06 PM) scottNY: we're beginning in an hour?
(5:54:09 PM) BarrettBrown: yes
(5:54:11 PM) PK3: wait
(5:54:14 PM) BarrettBrown: but we'll probably chat before then
(5:54:16 PM) PK3: i thought it was 7pm est
(5:54:19 PM) Renato: i didn`t know this group and today is the first time that i got in here
(5:54:20 PM) PK3: aka 4pst
(5:54:34 PM) BarrettBrown: it is
(5:54:41 PM) PK3: which is in 6 minutes?
(5:54:58 PM) Renato: 6 minutes later here is gonna be at 10:00 PM
(5:55:05 PM) scottNY: i concur with PK3
(5:55:09 PM) scottNY: 6 minutes till 7PM EST
(5:55:27 PM) scottNY: PK3 I don't think being a finance guy and good guy are mutually exclusive.
(5:55:39 PM) scottNY: IMHO
(5:55:45 PM) PK3: oh i know, i was just making a jab
(5:56:04 PM) scottNY: fair enough
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(5:56:49 PM) Acemen is now known as anonesc(5:58:27 PM) anonesc: hey everybody...seems like my nick is already in use here
(5:58:46 PM) PK3: common issue
(5:58:46 PM) PK3: lo,
(5:58:49 PM) PK3: l
(5:58:49 PM) lfzr_ is now known as lfzr
(5:59:48 PM) BarrettBrown: Howdy, Sundeep
(5:59:59 PM) lfzr: hey hey
(6:00:04 PM) BarrettBrown: We're going to go ahead and start in a few minutes
(6:00:08 PM) ryannon: I'm the artist formerly known as Prince
(6:00:12 PM) lfzr: sounds good
(6:00:16 PM) BarrettBrown: Sundeep, introduce yourself
(6:00:26 PM) lfzr: lol k
(6:00:48 PM) lfzr: uhm im a student and i do some programming
(6:00:56 PM) BarrettBrown: not sure if Gregg Housh will make it, but he's logged on
(6:02:20 PM) BarrettBrown: Sundeep's a brilliant programmer who is involved in writing the software that we'll use to set up a global entity
(6:02:26 PM) DynamicUno [~chatzilla@74-46-238-175.dsl1-field.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] entered the room.
(6:02:31 PM) DynamicUno: Evening
(6:02:36 PM) BarrettBrown: he's only 16 but is working with our older, more experienced programmers
(6:02:40 PM) TheMiNd [~TheMiNd@host-72-174-53-227.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] entered the room.
(6:02:40 PM) lfzr: Hey Tim
(6:02:41 PM) BarrettBrown: everyone, DynamicUno = Tim Ellis
(6:02:46 PM) TunAnon [~TunAnon1@41.225.172.103] entered the room.
(6:02:46 PM) BarrettBrown: writes for Huffington Post
(6:02:55 PM) BarrettBrown: runs his own rave promotion company near NYC
(6:02:56 PM) TheMiNd: hello
(6:02:56 PM) proje568: bonjour
(6:03:02 PM) BarrettBrown: one of Project PM's top fellows
(6:03:03 PM) BarrettBrown: bonjour
(6:03:04 PM) proje568: what's up
(6:03:10 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome, we will begin soon
(6:03:15 PM) DynamicUno: Rave company = Rochester and Toronto, which are subjectively near NYC I suppose
(6:03:24 PM) DynamicUno: Bonjour indeed
(6:03:57 PM) BarrettBrown: a lot of our guests are from outside U.S.
(6:04:06 PM) BarrettBrown: they don't care about your silly Canadian cities
(6:04:34 PM) BarrettBrown: TunAnon: Are you Tunisian?
(6:04:39 PM) DynamicUno: Remember Barrett, Canada is bigger and on top. If this was prison, the US would be the bitch.
(6:04:45 PM) TunAnon: yes
(6:04:51 PM) BarrettBrown: good
(6:04:54 PM) PK3: heh.
(6:05:00 PM) BarrettBrown: when you have a chance, get a hushmail account at
hushmail.com
(6:05:07 PM) BarrettBrown: and send an e-mail to
transistor@hushmail.com
(6:05:12 PM) BarrettBrown: make up a code name for yourself
(6:05:22 PM) BarrettBrown: you'll get more info here in a few minutes
(6:05:27 PM) truthseek [~Quiggs@85.211.168.143] entered the room.
(6:05:31 PM) TunAnon: ok
(6:05:50 PM) truthseek: hi
(6:06:03 PM) BarrettBrown: truthseek: thanks for coming
(6:06:29 PM) truthseek: np
(6:06:38 PM) BarrettBrown: Clark, are you on?
(6:06:45 PM) robinsonchicago: here
(6:07:03 PM) BarrettBrown: good
(6:07:15 PM) BarrettBrown: Can you tell our guests a bit about Project PM while I finish this call?
(6:07:18 PM) TheMiNd: restarting BRB
(6:07:21 PM) TheMiNd left the room (quit: ).
(6:09:00 PM) robinsonchicago: Project PM began when Barrett began a study of punditry in the US and wondered why mediocre analysis of current affairs received more attention in the media than warranted.
(6:09:48 PM) TheMiNd [~TheMiNd@host-72-174-53-227.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] entered the room.
(6:10:12 PM) TheMiNd left the room (quit: Client Quit).(6:10:16 PM) robinsonchicago: Barrett began theorizing about information dynamics and proposed internet-based networks of information exchange with some features of successful models such as Reddit and Twitter.
(6:11:12 PM) TheMiNd [~TheMiNd@host-72-174-53-227.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] entered the room.
(6:11:16 PM) robinsonchicago: Such a net work is currently being programmed, Sundeep, who is here, is involved in that, along with Campbell Vertisi who I think is not here tonight
(6:11:34 PM) robinsonchicago: Scott NY has also been involved in this.
(6:11:45 PM) robinsonchicago: Scott and Sundeep weigh in at any point.
(6:12:02 PM) BarrettBrown: Tim as well
(6:12:04 PM) robinsonchicago: Tim (Dynamic has been providing leadership of this effort)
(6:12:07 PM) BarrettBrown: he came on later
(6:12:11 PM) BarrettBrown: but has experience with Anon
(6:12:19 PM) Node_751: sounds very interesting
(6:12:21 PM) BarrettBrown: and has been heavily involved in some of our projects
(6:12:24 PM) BarrettBrown: we also do things like
(6:12:28 PM) BarrettBrown: Africa Development
(6:12:35 PM) BarrettBrown: using viral information campaigns
(6:12:44 PM) BarrettBrown: we've partnered with Dr. Lipp of Cambridge on that
(6:12:47 PM) _7of9_ [~Anonymous@173.0.8.170] entered the room.
(6:12:49 PM) BarrettBrown: he should be here in a bit
(6:12:56 PM) BarrettBrown: he gets grants from U.K.
(6:13:06 PM) Morpork: lfzr can you look your Pm?
(6:13:10 PM) BarrettBrown: we've also talked with or partnered with other groups to some extent
(6:13:28 PM) BarrettBrown: Any of you who are programmers, PM lfzr when you have a moment
(6:13:42 PM) BarrettBrown: he can take down your info, skills, etc
(6:13:43 PM) scottNY: <--lurking
(6:13:49 PM) _7of9_ is now known as TertiaryAdjunctO
(6:13:54 PM) BarrettBrown: if you're interested in working on this software or keeping up to date on it
(6:14:11 PM) nanon [~dissent42@h-174-9-37-42.ip.alltel.net] entered the room.
(6:14:14 PM) robinsonchicago: Project PM is also sponsoring a matching program between scientists and freelance journalists to produce writing about science that is high quality
(6:14:18 PM) TertiaryAdjunctO is now known as TertiaryAdjunct(6:14:19 PM) BarrettBrown: here is a video in which I explain how the schematic works. Keep in mind that it will be populated with activists, Anons, etc
(6:14:38 PM) BarrettBrown: and intent on pursuing all of these projects in such a way as to bring on thousands of new people without central direction
(6:14:45 PM) scottNY: to update BarrettBrown's information request, anyone who has programming experience and is interested in helping, please contact Sundeep (lfzr) or Tim (dynamicuno).
(6:15:16 PM) DynamicUno: Is lfzr here and occupied? Might be easiest if I field these
(6:15:31 PM) scottNY: Update: contact DynamicUno
(6:15:35 PM) lfzr: yea im here
(6:15:37 PM) TheMiNd: sorry, don't do computers... my skills are more along the lines of clockwork orange :p
(6:15:41 PM) BarrettBrown: this video describes how the schematic works although I'm talking about our blog network here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl88VHg_UA
(6:15:53 PM) scottNY: he will populate a spreadsheet with your skills/experience which is a good thing
(6:15:55 PM) anonesc is now known as _esc_(6:15:56 PM) BarrettBrown: it applies mostly to the second network, which will contain us and everyone else who wishes to work with us
(6:16:00 PM) TheMiNd: at least I think thats what a good number of people think when you mention behavior therapy
(6:16:04 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome to new folks
(6:16:13 PM) BarrettBrown: ask any questions you have as we proceed
(6:16:45 PM) BarrettBrown: At any rate, we also have other resources
(6:17:15 PM) BarrettBrown: that we've acquired over a year of making contacts, planning operations, recruiting people with strong backgrounds in media, techm, science
(6:17:35 PM) BarrettBrown: All of these will now be used, to some extent, on Tunisia and other nations as they come up
(6:17:37 PM) PK3: let me guess, then along comes wikileaks?
(6:17:45 PM) BarrettBrown: Well, sort of
(6:17:46 PM) truthseek: would love to be more involved but am a complete technophobe. I'm all right at writing letters/emails and being a pain in the arse to politicians and such :-)
(6:18:01 PM) BarrettBrown: I started writing about Wikileaks around the time I started this, so I took it into account
(6:18:08 PM) BarrettBrown: truthseek: that's okay
(6:18:13 PM) BarrettBrown: we can accomodate technophobes
(6:18:16 PM) BarrettBrown: I mean, sort of
(6:18:36 PM) truthseek: cool
(6:18:37 PM) dude101 [4516a8e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.22.168.232] entered the room.(6:19:03 PM) random1818 [~tevas@45.Red-79-158-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net] entered the room.
(6:19:04 PM) dude101: hi ! the meeting started yet ?
(6:19:09 PM) random1818: hi
(6:19:10 PM) proje568: privet
(6:19:11 PM) BarrettBrown: yes, welcome
(6:19:36 PM) BarrettBrown: Clark, Scott, you want to fill them in a bit more while I bring in more folks?
(6:19:42 PM) BarrettBrown: also, Sundeep
(6:19:53 PM) BarrettBrown: please explain a bit about the software for the beneift of technical folks
(6:20:00 PM) lfzr: sure
(6:20:27 PM) robinsonchicago: hey Scott NY, we are going to have an informational website soon, whats the status of that to the extent you know
(6:20:42 PM) yuio [~yuio@163.Red-79-157-207.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] entered the room.
(6:20:49 PM) DynamicUno: Actually Clark that should be up
(6:20:53 PM) scottNY: There are way too many cross conversations going on.
(6:21:07 PM) BarrettBrown: info on Tunisian projects:
http://typewith.me/optunisia
(6:21:11 PM) DynamicUno: A bit sparse as yet
(6:21:13 PM) DynamicUno: but available
(6:21:15 PM) scottNY: Yes Tim is correct. Clark the website has been moved to
projectpm.org
(6:21:20 PM) BarrettBrown: keep an eye on that document, will include links to everything
(6:21:39 PM) BarrettBrown: The third document:
http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O
(6:21:44 PM) BarrettBrown: Still being worked on
(6:21:48 PM) BarrettBrown: we hope to have it out Friday
(6:21:53 PM) scottNY: I have a goal of having the site professionally developed with information and put up a shared Doc to have people contribute thoughts, but for the most part no one added anything as far as I can tell.
(6:22:02 PM) BarrettBrown: and will distribute along the same channels as last documents
(6:22:30 PM) scottNY: DynamicUno, did you or anyone else have success in gathering media?
(6:22:49 PM) DynamicUno: I have some graphics from the G20 gathering in Toronto which I felt would prove appropriate
(6:23:00 PM) DynamicUno: The rest of my images were far to rave to lend the proper level of respect to the site
(6:23:09 PM) scottNY: Clearly we're going to a point where separate meetings should be conducted for however is interested in whatever aspect, with a top-level meeting conducted on weds, normal time.
(6:23:25 PM) DynamicUno: I'll share the G20 work with Sundeep and Campbell for them to use as they prefer
(6:23:35 PM) scottNY: that would be great
(6:24:03 PM) BarrettBrown: Remember, anyone who has questions may ask at any time, we are informal
(6:24:11 PM) scottNY: I will extend this question to ALL in this room.
(6:24:46 PM) scottNY: If anyone has media (photos, video) that would be useful to the projectpm website, please let us know.
(6:24:59 PM) scottNY: This will be very helpful in designing/creating the official ProjectPM website.
(6:25:14 PM) BarrettBrown: Any Tunisia coverage you have access to, send along as well and we'll make sure it gets attention
(6:25:28 PM) BarrettBrown: photos, film, etc
(6:25:30 PM) DynamicUno: And really, that's a general inquiry - even if you aren't sure it's useful, but think it might be, bring it up
(6:25:35 PM) DynamicUno: We're a creative bunch
(6:25:37 PM) PK3: have you got a category you want media to fall into? <--- new guy
(6:25:38 PM) DynamicUno: You never know what may fit
(6:25:52 PM) scottNY: PK3, DynamicUno provided some good color.
(6:26:04 PM) scottNY: We'd rather have too many media items to choose from than too little.
(6:26:04 PM) PK3: alright
(6:27:02 PM) scottNY: While it seems that a good portion of the people here tonight/today have varying interests, the mission statement is so far to use modern technology to cure informational assymetries.
(6:27:03 PM) PK3: hmm, what are the copyrights on the tunisia photos on the
boston.com website?
(6:27:06 PM) DynamicUno: Sundeep, do you want us to portion out the media inquiries to you directly, or should we field them for you?
(6:27:14 PM) DynamicUno: A lot of that decision making will be up to you an dCampbell ultimately
(6:27:14 PM) scottNY: Anything that would remotely cover that is something we're interested in.
(6:27:27 PM) BarrettBrown: As I mentioned earlier, any Tunisians who have basic leadership skills or otherwise can bring together at least a dozen people, please e-mail me at
Transistor@hushmail.com
(6:27:35 PM) BarrettBrown: Also, keep an eye on the open documents
(6:27:39 PM) BarrettBrown: and the series of guides
(6:27:56 PM) scottNY: DynamicUno, what do you mean by media inquires?
(6:28:00 PM) BarrettBrown: This makes for a good, comprehensive link to this effort
(6:28:01 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/18/937219/-Lets-help-Tunisia-achieve-liberty.
(6:28:07 PM) DynamicUno: Er, offers would be a better word
(6:28:10 PM) DynamicUno: offers to share stored media
(6:28:22 PM) BarrettBrown: And when the al-Jazeera op-ed appears, I will provide a link
(6:28:23 PM) scottNY: ahhh
(6:28:34 PM) BarrettBrown: that column can be reproduced at will, not copywrited
(6:29:08 PM) mmxanon [~androirc@247.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com] entered the room.
(6:29:12 PM) BarrettBrown: copyrighted, rather
(6:29:16 PM) scottNY: PK3 to answer your question. My guess is that non-copyrighted material is preferred, but at this point in time, I don't think this is a major concern.
(6:29:40 PM) PK3: can i make a suggestion then?
(6:29:47 PM) scottNY: You make a good point though that the website should include a link to remove copyrighted material by contacting a representative.
(6:29:47 PM) BarrettBrown: yes
(6:29:50 PM) BarrettBrown: always
(6:29:55 PM) PK3: in this gallery:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/01/an_uprising_in_tunisia.html#photo7 photo 7
(6:31:13 PM) DynamicUno: That's a solid shot
(6:31:16 PM) scottNY: agreed
(6:31:38 PM) scottNY: It would be great if we had a depository for all collected media.
(6:31:44 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O
(6:31:53 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/optunisia
(6:32:25 PM) DynamicUno: A shared DropBox would work fine
(6:32:33 PM) DynamicUno: Although
(6:32:51 PM) DynamicUno: I imagine Sundeep or Campbell could set up an FTP access for us using the webhosting space
(6:33:11 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(6:33:16 PM) scottNY: lfzr?
(6:33:16 PM) proje568: lfzr is staring at you through the window
(6:33:44 PM) DynamicUno: Goodness, again?
(6:33:46 PM) DynamicUno: Ah, to be 16 again
(6:33:54 PM) lfzr: 974630751542
(6:34:05 PM) lfzr: lol woops
(6:34:13 PM) lfzr: i entered in my pin
(6:34:16 PM) lfzr: i fail
(6:34:22 PM) PK3: nobody saw that
(6:34:22 PM) lfzr: sry back
(6:34:27 PM) scottNY: hmm
(6:34:32 PM) scottNY: you and your crazy passwords
(6:34:41 PM) scottNY: whatever happened to the good ole days of "password"
(6:34:46 PM) DynamicUno: lol
(6:35:05 PM) lfzr: you would need that + my usb + my truecrypt password to get into my computer
(6:35:09 PM) lfzr: i have a bad case of paranoia
(6:35:15 PM) PK3: or taking the nick of NickServ ^^
(6:35:29 PM) yuio: truecrypt + luks + bluwfish 448!!
(6:35:35 PM) yuio: blowfish*
(6:35:41 PM) TheMiNd: I should secure my shit better than I do :\
(6:36:24 PM) lfzr: offers to share stored media?
(6:36:24 PM) mmxanon left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
(6:36:43 PM) scottNY: yea lfzr, what's the best way to store pictures, videos, etc.
(6:36:51 PM) scottNY: but that we all have access to
(6:36:52 PM) PK3: pick and choose from that
boston.com gallery, there's some golden shots in there
(6:37:28 PM) TheMiNd: blogspot?
(6:38:13 PM) scottNY: blogspot?
(6:38:27 PM) BarrettBrown: For those who don't know, you can access OpTunisia's IRC at
irc.anonops.ru, #optunisia
(6:38:29 PM) mmxanon [~androirc@247.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com] entered the room.
(6:38:29 PM) lfzr: so we're talking about a sort of media repo where anyone with axx can upload/download/view whatever
(6:38:42 PM) lfzr: something like that?
(6:39:04 PM) scottNY: yes lfzr, my goal is to have tons of media that covers Project PM is a wide variety of context i.e. Tunisia, Africa Development, Science/Journalism, etc.
(6:39:20 PM) scottNY: Or, more broadly, informational flows.
(6:39:39 PM) lfzr: and this should all be able to integrate into the
projectpm.org site?
(6:39:52 PM) lfzr: i could make something like that
(6:40:01 PM) scottNY: I'm sure it's uses could extend beyond that, but my main focus is to integrate into PPM.org
(6:40:21 PM) lfzr: we'd need some really strong hardware if we're going to do video streaming, file hosting etc.
(6:40:53 PM) DynamicUno: Well how much do we need - are we just talking enough to flesh out the site, or talking full archives?
(6:40:53 PM) TheMiNd: One project I had envisioned involved a video and news aggregation site specifically dedicated to people addressing how current events and poor government policies were affecting them
(6:41:03 PM) DynamicUno: That's a great idea MiNd
(6:41:14 PM) scottNY: I believe Campbell suggested video, if that's too difficult for our hardware then we'll have to find a way around.
(6:41:16 PM) PK3: mind wanna work Op Spark into this?
(6:41:23 PM) BarrettBrown: yeah, you mentioned that to me yesterday, it's something we can help with
(6:41:24 PM) DynamicUno: Really we don't need to reinvent the wheel though - we can embed youtube videos in our site rather than self-hosting
(6:41:25 PM) lfzr: we can actually do that with Amazon S3
(6:41:26 PM) scottNY: However, I'm not intending for this to be a file hosting.
(6:41:52 PM) TheMiNd: you see a story every month or 2 about the woman who died b/c she couldn't get a transplant, the vet who killed himself, the woman who's living out of her van
(6:42:23 PM) lfzr: ok so a content submission system
(6:42:25 PM) TheMiNd: But there are MANY more whose stories aren't being told, who are just having their stories reduced to statistics. The goal would be to put a face to the issues
(6:42:43 PM) lfzr: rather than specifically media hosting
(6:42:52 PM) lfzr: hmm i can build that
(6:42:55 PM) TheMiNd: yeah my idea was just to use the existing youtube API.
(6:43:22 PM) scottNY: lfzr, I'm being selfish and just thinking of myself, as I said in my email sent out last week, the website designer wants to know if we have photos/media to include in the site design.
(6:43:36 PM) TheMiNd: You could use it in Palestine to document life in the West Bank...
(6:43:46 PM) lfzr: how would all these submissions be organized/accessed
(6:44:00 PM) scottNY: while I fully acknowledge the causes and desires of other projects, at this particular moment in time, having a central website for interested participants in my main focus.
(6:44:08 PM) TheMiNd: maybe tagging them?
(6:44:24 PM) TheMiNd: good point
(6:44:24 PM) lfzr: scottNY: hmm i dont think we have any media atm
(6:44:34 PM) lfzr: the current site's subsections
(6:44:40 PM) lfzr: like the africa project
(6:44:56 PM) Seadragon [Seadragon@adsl-99-139-124-216.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.
(6:45:07 PM) BarrettBrown: Seadragon: Welcome
(6:45:13 PM) lfzr: for now, we can find some media specific to each section
(6:45:15 PM) scottNY: lfzr, I know, which is why I'm asking people to help out and provide media and at the same time am looking for a place to store said media to go through and pick and choose those that would be most appropriate for the site.
(6:45:17 PM) Seadragon: hello
(6:45:17 PM) proje568: hey
(6:45:18 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(6:45:30 PM) BarrettBrown: Everyone, please quote ideas and contributions to that document
(6:45:35 PM) BarrettBrown: as they're made
(6:45:38 PM) lfzr: scottNY: ah got it
(6:45:54 PM) BarrettBrown: so that others can quickly get a sense of what was come up with and can provide input to the same document
(6:46:20 PM) BarrettBrown: everything regarding Tunisia, I mean
(6:46:36 PM) BarrettBrown: Scott, have you seen
typewith.me and all that yet?
(6:46:54 PM) scottNY: BarrettBrown, I have not, I've been overwhelmed with a variety of tasks.
(6:46:55 PM) BarrettBrown: Campbell, Tim, and I found them to be useful, it's what Anon is currently using
(6:46:59 PM) mmxanon: BarrettBrown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvfXtTkZv8 the guide vid
(6:47:05 PM) BarrettBrown: check out this one when you get a chance
(6:47:24 PM) scottNY: which one?
(6:47:26 PM) BarrettBrown: Excellent
(6:47:26 PM) lfzr: so ill setup a system for that, sans hosting, so people will submit links and someone can go through the list and pick out the good media
(6:47:31 PM) DynamicUno left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 240 seconds).(6:47:39 PM) scottNY: Sundeep, that would be great!!!
(6:47:40 PM) BarrettBrown: Everyone, mmxanon has created a video version of our first document
(6:47:41 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvfXtTkZv8
(6:48:01 PM) scottNY: BarrettBrown, what's the document that I should check out?
(6:48:11 PM) robinsonchicago: Need to keep our site(s) easily accessed by people with low speed internet access, mobile connections, etc. So need to consider that in putting up video and graphics.
(6:48:46 PM) Seadragon: ah wonderful
(6:48:49 PM) lfzr: i assume you want to split it up into subsections so people who have media related directly to the Africa Development Project for example can specify that
(6:49:13 PM) scottNY: robinsonchicago, there are the types of points I'd like you and all to share in the website design document.
(6:49:27 PM) Seadragon: you are going to have to teach me more so i can help more
(6:49:33 PM) BarrettBrown: this looks great, man
(6:49:45 PM) scottNY: lfzr, I'm not personally designing the website (nathalie) who owes Barrett a favor is going to, but I imagine it will be setup similarly to what we have currently.
(6:50:31 PM) mmxanon: thanks it was my 2nd try kinda rushed it at the end
(6:50:56 PM) lfzr: ok well i think i have a general idea of what to build, ill get it up by the weekend
(6:51:17 PM) scottNY: awesome, thanks Sundeep!
(6:51:36 PM) scottNY: Depending on what we can get amongst ourselves, I may ask Barrett to send out an email with an official request for media.
(6:51:45 PM) lfzr: should i add a password or something so only authorized users can submit content, it might prevent spam
(6:52:03 PM) scottNY: projectpm sounds secure enough :)
(6:52:31 PM) lfzr: kk cool, hopefully i can get it running by the weekend
(6:52:37 PM) scottNY: I will find out from the designer if the media has to be non-copyrighted.
(6:52:40 PM) DynamicUno [~chatzilla@173-86-139-98.dsl1-field.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] entered the room.
(6:52:44 PM) DynamicUno: Hey, sorry
(6:52:46 PM) DynamicUno: Lost the router
(6:52:49 PM) scottNY: You should be.
(6:52:52 PM) scottNY: Time warner?
(6:53:27 PM) nanon left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds).(6:54:07 PM) DynamicUno: lol
(6:54:10 PM) DynamicUno: No, Frontier
(6:54:11 PM) DynamicUno: Just as bad
(6:54:17 PM) DynamicUno: they are the other Time Warner in our two options
(6:54:19 PM) DynamicUno: Free market my ass
(6:54:25 PM) PK3: heh
(6:54:40 PM) DynamicUno: We're lucky we have two options
(6:54:45 PM) PK3: yep
(6:54:49 PM) scottNY: yea, in NYC we have time warner, RCA/RCN (don't remember which), DirectTV, and now thankfully Fios
(6:55:02 PM) PK3: when you have fewer ISPs than political parties, you know something is up
(6:55:08 PM) scottNY: Fios is actually pretty good.
(6:55:43 PM) scottNY: if it helps at somepoint we had zero ISPs :)
(6:55:54 PM) PK3: ...true
(6:55:55 PM) Seadragon: so what is this all about?
(6:56:15 PM) DynamicUno: lol
(6:56:22 PM) DynamicUno: Is Barrett around?
(6:56:31 PM) BarrettBrown: mmxanon: go ahead and change the youtube video to be available by search, if you would please
(6:56:32 PM) DynamicUno: I believe our Tunisian contingent should take the floor, if he's ready
(6:56:32 PM) Node_751: regarding the organization of submitted media - i think a mediawiki sort of layout wout suit this perfectly
(6:56:40 PM) BarrettBrown: I've begun distributing it
(6:56:42 PM) BarrettBrown: yo, Tim
(6:56:47 PM) Node_751: <
(6:56:49 PM) Node_751: would* >
(6:56:56 PM) yuio left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).
(6:57:00 PM) mmxanon: brb
(6:57:03 PM) mmxanon left the room (quit: Quit: AndroIRC).
(6:57:18 PM) BarrettBrown: Hey, does anyone here wish to speak about Anon?
(6:57:19 PM) scottNY: lfzr, what do you think of Node_751's idea?
(6:57:30 PM) BarrettBrown: and what other ideas Anon should pursue?
(6:57:32 PM) PK3: what exactly is there to say about it?
(6:57:39 PM) BarrettBrown: and otherwise request any assistance?
(6:57:56 PM) BarrettBrown: if you don't know who we have and what we can do, ask
(6:57:57 PM) PK3: we have a genuine interest in a stable and free tunisia i guess
(6:58:08 PM) PK3: if only for better server hosting, lol
(6:58:46 PM) DynamicUno: lol well it does reflect a genuine outgrowth of our principles
(6:58:49 PM) DynamicUno: Such as they are
(6:58:50 PM) lfzr: mediawiki would work but ideally we dont want to host much
(6:59:02 PM) TunAnon left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).(6:59:14 PM) lfzr: we dont have the resources as of now
(6:59:17 PM) scottNY: got it
(6:59:23 PM) scottNY: ok then let's proceed with your other suggestion
(6:59:34 PM) lfzr: so for now im just building a link submission site
(6:59:48 PM) kenkogni [~IceChat77@99.71.181.222] entered the room.
(6:59:58 PM) BarrettBrown: Hello, Dr. Lipp
(7:00:00 PM) kenkogni: Just saw email
(7:00:08 PM) kenkogni: Good evening
(7:00:15 PM) BarrettBrown: Everyone, this is Dr. Kenneth Lipp of Cambridge
(7:00:23 PM) BarrettBrown: he's working with us on Africa health development
(7:00:26 PM) kenkogni: Hello, all.
(7:00:44 PM) DynamicUno: Hi Ken, welcome back
(7:00:46 PM) Node_751: hey hey
(7:00:46 PM) BarrettBrown: which will be helpful when we start aiming LOIC at certain countries, lol
(7:00:50 PM) Seadragon: hello Dr Lipp
(7:01:07 PM) kenkogni: So, what's the business?
(7:01:14 PM) BarrettBrown: Tunisia project
(7:01:15 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(7:01:19 PM) BarrettBrown: check out that document for now
(7:01:27 PM) BarrettBrown: ask if you have any questions
(7:01:29 PM) BarrettBrown: also read this
(7:01:36 PM) BarrettBrown: my new op-ed for al-Jazeera
(7:01:42 PM) kenkogni: Awesome
(7:01:43 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.typewith.me/zFRMGf5yK3
(7:01:56 PM) Seadragon: are you a political science doctor?
(7:02:07 PM) BarrettBrown: basically Anon and PM will both have a lot of new recruits to contend with
(7:02:14 PM) BarrettBrown: so we need to prepare for that
(7:02:41 PM) kenkogni: Send some my way, from NAfrica
(7:02:53 PM) BarrettBrown: He's not, Sea
(7:02:59 PM) kenkogni: Now have anthropologist embed tunis
(7:03:02 PM) BarrettBrown: he's a researcher
(7:03:12 PM) kenkogni: No, behavioural genetics
(7:03:14 PM) BarrettBrown: oh, right, Ken, forgot to talk to you about that
(7:03:17 PM) BarrettBrown: been busy as shit
(7:03:23 PM) TunAnon [~TunAnon1@41.225.172.103] entered the room.
(7:03:26 PM) BarrettBrown: basically, we have Tunisians for you to work with on that
(7:03:27 PM) kenkogni: s'cool
(7:03:32 PM) BarrettBrown: I'll get you in touch tomorrow
(7:03:39 PM) kenkogni: Excellent
(7:03:39 PM) BarrettBrown: remind me if you don't hear from me by noon
(7:03:41 PM) TheMiNd: I've been in contact with a few algerians today. the one guy came on his own afik
(7:03:54 PM) kenkogni: Let me ead these, and I'll rejoin
(7:03:57 PM) BarrettBrown: Ken here has anthropologists going into Tunisia
(7:04:02 PM) BarrettBrown: I guess soon
(7:04:02 PM) TheMiNd: I got one message from Gaza Youth Break Out but they're busy doing their own thing
(7:04:10 PM) kenkogni: Already there, Barrett
(7:04:14 PM) Seadragon: very well hb
(7:04:22 PM) BarrettBrown: TheMiNd: They wrote a great manifesto a week ago
(7:04:33 PM) BarrettBrown: We need to talk to them soon
(7:04:54 PM) kenkogni: They are still using unsecure email
(7:04:57 PM) BarrettBrown: Remember, all
(7:05:13 PM) TheMiNd: I asked them to get back to me again, but no luck. It'd probably be better if it was people more familiar with their culture and language doing the talking
(7:05:16 PM) BarrettBrown: please consult and add to this collaborative document:
http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(7:05:28 PM) BarrettBrown: I want to try to get the third document out soon
(7:05:44 PM) BarrettBrown: and for that, we need technical people to write up guides on how Tunisians can securely communicate
(7:05:55 PM) BarrettBrown: I'll write up a section on establishing civic organizations
(7:06:02 PM) BarrettBrown: just need a bunch more input on technical issues
(7:06:15 PM) BarrettBrown: I can edit if necessary, just jot down whatever you know
(7:06:18 PM) BarrettBrown: on that document
(7:06:21 PM) BarrettBrown: again:
http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(7:06:48 PM) BarrettBrown: note that it is comprised of a sort of conversational note taking
(7:06:57 PM) BarrettBrown: just throw your input in anywhere
(7:07:04 PM) BarrettBrown: Clark, you still here?
(7:07:09 PM) Seadragon: how can they be sure that they have honest elections?
(7:07:18 PM) lfzr: ill write up something on secure com
(7:07:24 PM) Seadragon: in two months
(7:07:25 PM) BarrettBrown: Seadragon: Our goal is for them to be able to do something about it if that is the case
(7:07:34 PM) truthseek: An Algerian guy over in #OpTunisia tried to get in here but he said he couldn't. Something bout IPV6 not being supported in Algeria.
(7:07:39 PM) robinsonchicago: sorry barrett was away , now i am back
(7:07:51 PM) BarrettBrown: Seadragon: and to be able to react in unity and competence to any threat to their civil society
(7:08:06 PM) BarrettBrown: that means they need technical tools and strategies based on other, similar revolts
(7:08:26 PM) dude101: truthseek i finaly made it bro
(7:08:29 PM) BarrettBrown: as well as advice on how individuals can start civic groups and then link up to others
(7:08:54 PM) truthseek: ok :-)
(7:08:58 PM) dude101: i used java
(7:09:16 PM) BarrettBrown: dude101: welcome, lol
(7:09:18 PM) Seadragon: I am from chicago too
(7:09:21 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(7:09:29 PM) ryannon: @anyone: what's the trick for copying these addresses as they're posted?
(7:09:35 PM) dude101: thnks i'm following the conversation for now
(7:09:43 PM) BarrettBrown: Do any of the Tunisians here wish to provide their input?
(7:09:54 PM) BarrettBrown: At this point?
(7:09:59 PM) BarrettBrown: Otherwise, feel free to do so later
(7:10:10 PM) ryannon: I think the Tunisian person logged out
(7:10:17 PM) BarrettBrown: No, therer's others
(7:10:23 PM) BarrettBrown: rjejtaotj;s
(7:10:26 PM) BarrettBrown: "there are"
(7:10:27 PM) TunAnon: am one
(7:10:34 PM) BarrettBrown: hello again, TunAnon
(7:10:37 PM) Seadragon: most of what i have seen was written by them
(7:10:40 PM) BarrettBrown: Tell me this
(7:10:48 PM) TunAnon: but not really understanding thing here
(7:11:00 PM) BarrettBrown: TunAnon: We will have Arabic person talk to you later
(7:11:02 PM) TheMiNd: I wish slim could be in here
(7:11:05 PM) TunAnon: what input?
(7:11:08 PM) random1818: if they couldnt acces because of some protocol not working we should make sure there is a way to stay in touch with them
(7:11:11 PM) TheMiNd: His input would be invaluable
(7:11:37 PM) BarrettBrown: TunAnon: Do you think many Tunisians will get involved in a program to help build a better government?
(7:11:39 PM) TheMiNd: he stated on his twitter earlier that he didn't intend to stay in the government, that he was mainly there to be an inside man
(7:12:01 PM) TunAnon: don't know
(7:12:09 PM) Morpork: http://piratenpad.de/W5UuBjBPx9
(7:12:10 PM) TunAnon: things are confusing
(7:12:28 PM) PK3: Slim Ammamou is a recognizable and popular person in Tunisia, yes?
(7:12:31 PM) BarrettBrown: TunAnon: Do you know people who are interested in getting involved to hellp Tunisia?
(7:12:39 PM) TheMiNd: so if things are confusing then we need to show that we can help provide order
(7:12:45 PM) PK3: i mean, we know he is popular on the internet
(7:13:07 PM) ryannon: Provide moral support
(7:13:10 PM) mmxanon [~androirc@247.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com] entered the room.
(7:13:13 PM) TunAnon: slim is know in the temporary government
(7:13:17 PM) TunAnon: *now
(7:13:34 PM) TunAnon: Barrett: no
(7:14:26 PM) BarrettBrown: TunAnon: Okay. Can you give these documents to other Tunisians?
(7:14:51 PM) kenkogni: @Barrett: Can this channel go out over twitter? Want to see if Max has his ear to the rail.
(7:14:52 PM) TunAnon: which documents
(7:14:54 PM) TunAnon: ?
(7:15:04 PM) BarrettBrown: ken: sure
(7:15:06 PM) BarrettBrown: these documents
(7:15:16 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvfXtTkZv8
(7:16:18 PM) BarrettBrown: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/18/937219/-Lets-help-Tunisia-achieve-liberty.
(7:16:27 PM) BarrettBrown: e-mail them to friends
(7:16:32 PM) BarrettBrown: and to trusted people
(7:16:38 PM) TunAnon: sure
(7:16:44 PM) BarrettBrown: thank you
(7:17:36 PM) BarrettBrown: anyone else have any input at the moment?
(7:17:48 PM) BarrettBrown: I have to go in a minute but everyone feel free to hang around and discuss
(7:18:03 PM) BarrettBrown: be absolutely sure to check in with this document and leave any ideas or info
(7:18:17 PM) BarrettBrown: http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(7:19:21 PM) Morpork: if ppl wants to discuss a program for sustaining democracy do it here
http://piratenpad.de/W5UuBjBPx9
(7:19:58 PM) mmxanon: ill have p2 vid done by Friday
(7:20:22 PM) BarrettBrown: good news, guys
(7:20:23 PM) TunAnon: Slim Amemou said he is confident about the new government in Tunisian TV today
(7:20:28 PM) BarrettBrown: Just spoke to Michael Hastings
(7:20:34 PM) BarrettBrown: he will be on Bill Maher on Saturday
(7:20:38 PM) BarrettBrown: will talk about our operations
(7:21:07 PM) Seadragon: press in other server
(7:21:13 PM) Seadragon: ap
(7:22:13 PM) BarrettBrown: lol wut?
(7:22:34 PM) TheMiNd: nice Maher might net us some more peeps
(7:22:40 PM) BarrettBrown: yes, he will
(7:22:51 PM) mmxanon: lol cool
(7:24:13 PM) BarrettBrown: Hastings will be promoting this thing everywhere
(7:24:17 PM) BarrettBrown: same with others
(7:24:28 PM) BarrettBrown: that's why we need to work our asses off
(7:24:31 PM) BarrettBrown: over the next few days
(7:24:37 PM) BarrettBrown: because we have to match the expectations
(7:24:45 PM) BarrettBrown: that means, recruit whomever you can
(7:25:22 PM) BarrettBrown: anyone who wants to get updates e-mail me at
transistor@hushmail.com from secure e-mail
(7:25:29 PM) BarrettBrown: ok, really going this time
(7:25:42 PM) BarrettBrown: thanks to everyone who joined us, and feel free to hang around this channel
(7:26:08 PM) mmxanon: see ya
(7:26:16 PM) ryannon: later, barrett
(7:27:00 PM) DynamicUno: Cheers Barrett
(7:28:36 PM) ryannon: What's the geographical distribution of the people here? I'm in Paris.
(7:28:58 PM) ryannon: As in Paris, France
(7:29:17 PM) PK3: so an even skankier place than the american variety?
(7:29:29 PM) PK3: jk, paris is chill ^^
(7:29:29 PM) ryannon: Eh what?
(7:29:40 PM) ryannon: Paris is chilly right now
(7:30:02 PM) BarrettBrown: Also, can someone send me transcript of this meeting, please?
(7:30:32 PM) DynamicUno: Will do
(7:30:35 PM) DynamicUno: Actually
(7:30:37 PM) DynamicUno: I got booted midway through
(7:30:39 PM) DynamicUno: so I only have half
(7:30:41 PM) DynamicUno: Scott?