Thanks. Can you send transcript from last week's pm meeting to alexpearlman at gmail.com, or have someone else do so if you don't have it?
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From: Clark Robinson <robinsonchicago@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:14:53 -0600
To: Barrett Brown<barriticus@gmail.com>
Subject: trnscrpt jan 26
(5:42:02 PM) The topic for #projectpm is: ProjectPM - now on IRC! (5:42:06 PM) JohnWK: har.
(5:42:20 PM) ayla_n: do you want more speakers or are there enough already? (5:42:47 PM) SebG [b89833af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.152.51.175] entered the room.
(5:42:52 PM) JohnWK: And so it begins.. (5:43:14 PM) ohthehugemanatee [~campbell@ip-80-236-235-210.dsl.scarlet.be] entered the room.
(5:43:22 PM) BarrettBrown: sup Campbell (5:43:22 PM) ohthehugemanatee: yo yo yo
(5:43:23 PM) PK3: if the american pirate party would actually bother to organize for once, i'd recommend contacting them too
(5:43:25 PM) JohnWK: Campbell, welcome back. (5:43:26 PM) BarrettBrown: Clark
(5:43:27 PM) BarrettBrown: Seb (5:43:29 PM) PK3: but that's likely a wasted effort
(5:43:30 PM) TheMiNd: did everyone see the change made today at quantico? (5:43:32 PM) SebG: yep?
(5:43:34 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hey barrett (5:43:42 PM) ohthehugemanatee: TheMiNd: what's the change
(5:43:46 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ? i ddn't see it (5:43:55 PM) PK3: the CO in charge of torturing bradley is getting the boot
(5:43:55 PM) BarrettBrown: ayla_n: Physician and activist for women's reproduction rights
(5:44:01 PM) ayla_n: oh yeah, the PP what a joke, just got an email they were hacked and a bunch of emails stolen, mine included
(5:44:01 PM) TheMiNd: New commander at quantico. The old bastard got replaced b/c of the suicide watch
(5:44:16 PM) PK3: the PP of Canada is actually decent (5:44:23 PM) ohthehugemanatee: great news I guess
(5:44:23 PM) JohnWK: Damn. (5:44:28 PM) ayla_n: TheMiNd awesome!!! what an ass the commander
(5:44:30 PM) BarrettBrown: ohthehugemanatee = Campbell Vertesi, our main tech guy at PM, opera singer, formerly based in Paris
(5:44:33 PM) ohthehugemanatee: probably just doing what he was supposed to (5:44:35 PM) ayla_n: this was the US pp
(5:44:40 PM) TheMiNd: There is hope that the new guy may reduce the POI watch (5:44:44 PM) ohthehugemanatee: PP?
(5:44:44 PM) BarrettBrown: lfzr = Sundeep, child genius and programmer (5:44:47 PM) TheMiNd:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20029688-503543.html
(5:44:59 PM) PK3: PiratenPartei (5:45:01 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ah
(5:45:02 PM) PK3: :) (5:45:02 PM) ohthehugemanatee: thx
(5:45:08 PM) BarrettBrown: I don't know his last name because it's Indian (5:45:14 PM) SebG: heh
(5:45:16 PM) ohthehugemanatee: i see ppl are starting to join commons.projectpm.org
(5:45:19 PM) bitmakker [~bitmakker@del63-2-82-247-214-139.fbx.proxad.net] entered the room.
(5:45:32 PM) BarrettBrown: I think its Puhastopenlalimadradelhislumdogmillionaireapasahtu
(5:45:34 PM) ohthehugemanatee: that's great - now start your discussions (5:45:40 PM) JohnWK: Hah.
(5:45:46 PM) TheMiNd: First name: The (5:45:49 PM) TheMiNd: Last Name: MiNd
(5:45:55 PM) BarrettBrown: We'll start in 15, but feel free to discuss beforehand (5:46:00 PM) JohnWK: Name's John Waker.
(5:46:01 PM) PK3: PKE, Space Pirate (5:46:05 PM) ohthehugemanatee: the other day JohnWK was talking about a piece hardware we could engineer to help out in egypt
(5:46:15 PM) JohnWK: Ex digital systems architect from AMD. (5:46:19 PM) ohthehugemanatee: let's talk about it in http://commons.projectpm.org/node/2/content/discussions
(5:46:23 PM) JohnWK: Worked on PHENOM II. (5:46:33 PM) JohnWK: Software and hardware engineer, at your services.
(5:46:36 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: I'd like to see a real proposal... what you would put together, the unit cost, etc
(5:46:42 PM) Geronimouse [~geronimou@74.115.0.26] entered the room. (5:46:46 PM) mr[a]: i want phenom II....
(5:47:01 PM) JohnWK: ohthehugemanatee: Are you familiar with verilog? (5:47:09 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome all new folks
(5:47:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we could also organize specific meeting times for op tunisia and op egypt
(5:47:20 PM) BarrettBrown: Feel free to introduce yourself, background, skills. Don't be shy
(5:47:27 PM) BarrettBrown: Shyness is for pussies (5:47:30 PM) JohnWK: Quite an interesting HDL language...
(5:47:40 PM) alteranon: hi all (5:47:40 PM) JohnWK: Unit cost for basic production board is $192.
(5:47:43 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: like for describing hardward systems? (5:47:43 PM) ohthehugemanatee: y
(5:47:46 PM) JohnWK: Yeah. (5:47:50 PM) JohnWK: It's what I work in.
(5:47:57 PM) JohnWK: Can code an entire basic 16-bit arch within minutes. (5:48:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: a long time ago i learned verilog 2001
(5:48:15 PM) ayla_n: i'm ayla, I hack people mainly but love geeks and hackerz (5:48:17 PM) ohthehugemanatee: but there's a 2005 now right?
(5:48:18 PM) dakanektr [~Matt@n2-151-157.dhcp.drexel.edu] entered the room. (5:48:20 PM) JohnWK: Yeah.
(5:48:28 PM) bitmakker: bitmakker here (5:48:29 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hi ayla_n I'm just starting to learn social engineering
(5:48:30 PM) JohnWK: Updated via IEEE's taskforce. (5:48:38 PM) ohthehugemanatee: but I'm a geek and a hacker, so I'll accept that love
(5:48:51 PM) JohnWK: whom I have variable relations with. (5:48:56 PM) SebG: I guess my main skill is writing, but I'm pretty versatile
(5:49:00 PM) JohnWK: ...as in I want to kill most of them with a rusty fork. (5:49:10 PM) TheMiNd: I don't know that I really think about social engineering
(5:49:15 PM) TheMiNd: i've never studied it specifically (5:49:21 PM) PK3: PKE <-- non-programmer, can barely work an IRC, but can smith phrases something nice
(5:49:26 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: honestly verilog is slow reading and it burns at my soul to decypher it. but i did once
(5:49:28 PM) ayla_n: <3 <3 <3 to all :) (5:49:34 PM) alteranon: I´m from the Netherlands and work at a university. I´m now starting up a student research project on cyber politics (Wikileaks etc). But I have been doing some cyber politics myself in the last two months. Including co-organizing this event: http://www.anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=208
(5:49:35 PM) JohnWK: It's a second language to me. (5:49:43 PM) alteranon: for the rest, I have no skills :)
(5:49:53 PM) scottNY [~new@pool-108-21-104-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] entered the room.
(5:49:53 PM) ohthehugemanatee: great PK3 - you an english major? what's your background?
(5:49:57 PM) TheMiNd: nm was thinking you meant something else about social engineering
(5:50:07 PM) ohthehugemanatee: alteranon: where are you in NL? I'm near Aubel BE at the moment
(5:50:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: very close to the border (5:50:18 PM) alteranon: I´m in Amsterdam
(5:50:23 PM) ohthehugemanatee: alteranon: lucky bastard (5:50:24 PM) JohnWK: ohthehugemanatee: Prototyping a design wouldn't be hard. It'd take minutes to lay out a system with my Quartus IDE and DE1.
(5:50:25 PM) PK3: hardly. i just seem to have found a niche in coining handy buzzwords. anthropology undergrad
(5:50:29 PM) ohthehugemanatee: great weed (5:50:34 PM) alteranon: haha
(5:50:42 PM) alteranon: yeah, I´ll start rolling pretty soon (5:50:45 PM) ohthehugemanatee: PK3: buzzwords are great - nothing spreads an idea faster
(5:50:50 PM) alteranon: but I´m also writing a speech for tomorrow (5:50:51 PM) bitmakker: Social-Engineer.org is the web source of SE if you need info
(5:50:52 PM) vicarious- [~vicarious@173.0.6.144] entered the room. (5:50:55 PM) alteranon: multitasking
(5:50:57 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we can craft the debate with the right use of it (5:50:59 PM) TheMiNd: goddamnit my dispensary is across town
(5:51:05 PM) Geronimouse: interested in whats going on , but no special skills or lots of spare time to be effective... just fire the lazors every evening
(5:51:05 PM) TheMiNd: and i have no car :( (5:51:20 PM) JohnWK: Oh lazors, they accomplish everything.
(5:51:29 PM) ohthehugemanatee: yeah, i bought hadnagy's book over xmas (5:51:39 PM) JohnWK: lol.
(5:51:43 PM) TheMiNd: fucking lazers (5:51:46 PM) ohthehugemanatee: Geronimouse: what do you do, who are you, what do you like and what are you good at?
(5:51:55 PM) mr[a]: i prefer firing small endangered primates (5:51:59 PM) vicarious-: I am a journalist from a major news source in the US. What role is Anonymous playing in North Africa?
(5:52:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hi vicarious (5:52:14 PM) PK3: lots
(5:52:17 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hey, at least you're honest (5:52:21 PM) bsiddiqi [~bsiddiqi@host86-147-82-10.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] entered the room.
(5:52:25 PM) JohnWK: Best policy IMO. (5:52:42 PM) TheMiNd: vicarious-: in tunisia, algeria, egypt, and iran, we've provided instructions on how to get around their government's attempts at censorship.
(5:52:45 PM) SebG: alteranon if you want an extra pair of eyes to check out your speech, let me know
(5:53:01 PM) TheMiNd: we've been able to set up many of them with TOR, The Onion Router, an anonymizing proxy software
(5:53:05 PM) BarrettBrown: guys (5:53:08 PM) JohnWK: That it is.
(5:53:10 PM) BarrettBrown: input from one of our friends (5:53:10 PM) jsap [44c2135a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.19.90] entered the room.
(5:53:11 PM) BarrettBrown: <av1n1t23> i have to go and sleep now, but this is prime pointof what i was saying the other day about if there is a way for people toreceive satnet on homemade dishes/recievers (which can apparently bequite good, better than a manufactured dish)
(5:53:25 PM) JohnWK: ...Yes. (5:53:26 PM) PK3: like wok-fi barrett?
(5:53:27 PM) JohnWK: There is. (5:53:43 PM) BarrettBrown: <av1n1t23> maybe not a short term solution, but possibly one tolook at in the longer run
(5:53:44 PM) PK3: only for satelites? (5:53:55 PM) alteranon: sebg thanks :) first need to write it. And this speech is not on cyber politics but on urban sociology
(5:53:55 PM) AndIrc_ [~Android@m83-186-233-21.cust.tele2.se] entered the room. (5:54:06 PM) BarrettBrown: <av1n1t23> ty - may be a hack that can be done on somenetworks, or even funds set up by resitence orgs inside relevent countries, i know there a lot more satellites up there now
(5:54:13 PM) BarrettBrown: you'll have to ask him, I'm just relaying info (5:54:26 PM) SebG: alteranon no prob, the offer still stands
(5:54:26 PM) JohnWK: I'm still thinking external routing on an "exit" point with hop-nodes along FPGA pathways.
(5:54:30 PM) vicarious-: TheMiNd: I see...so Anonymous has provided the "revolutionsaries" with: 1) information; 2) a forum for communication; 3) and some media visibility. anything more substansive?
(5:54:36 PM) JohnWK: Or that bluetooth idea we were throwing around (5:54:39 PM) PK3: yes, vicarious
(5:54:43 PM) JohnWK: Better than sattelite net. (5:54:50 PM) PK3: don't forget the knockdown of relevant government websites
(5:55:02 PM) JohnWK: As with homemade dishes you can't guarentee quality builds for everybody.
(5:55:03 PM) PK3: gotta give the script kiddies some credit (5:55:17 PM) JohnWK: PK3: Hey, they have computing resources.
(5:55:17 PM) alteranon: i think the defacements were particularly important in the Tunisian case
(5:55:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: vicarious-: I'm afraid we're not an official outlet for anon
(5:55:30 PM) ohthehugemanatee: just associated by some common membership (5:55:38 PM) PK3: more of a generic GitErDone crowd
(5:55:41 PM) vicarious-: I see, thank you (5:55:42 PM) JohnWK: Woo.
(5:55:54 PM) JohnWK: Hmm. (5:56:01 PM) alteranon: if i were about to attempt to overthrow the gov, i would feel really motivated to see a revolutionary message on the one site that isn´t censored :)
(5:56:07 PM) clownclown [~clownclow@dslb-094-217-110-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] entered the room.
(5:56:10 PM) PK3: :D (5:56:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: in a general sense, we see what's going on in some of these north african countries, and we brainstorm what sort of direct or indirect support we can provide
(5:56:16 PM) Geronimouse: vicarious - what is your knowledge and perception of anon? (5:56:17 PM) clownclown: yeah
(5:56:18 PM) SebG: vicarious: might be of interest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbwuT7ZY_dc
(5:56:18 PM) JohnWK: TheMiNd: I'm still thinking on that external-hop Darknet that I was talking about, the W3 framework.
(5:56:27 PM) ohthehugemanatee: some of us may provide more material support in our private lives, but that's it
(5:56:28 PM) TheMiNd: nice (5:56:29 PM) clownclown: I've been thinking about this very topic for several months now
(5:56:34 PM) clownclown: but never been able to find anyone else interested (5:56:38 PM) JohnWK: Might come in handy.
(5:56:45 PM) JohnWK: for getting around proxies. (5:56:47 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: could I convince you to do a quick writeup about your ideas on that darknet?
(5:56:53 PM) JohnWK: Sure thing. (5:56:56 PM) ohthehugemanatee: I can never stay on irc when you guys are on
(5:57:04 PM) ohthehugemanatee: but if you drop it on commons, I can check it out (5:57:12 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hell, start a community around projectpm hardware
(5:57:19 PM) JohnWK: Hell yeah. (5:57:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: I'd be all about that
(5:57:33 PM) JohnWK: I'll get started, then. (5:57:34 PM) clownclown: The best way we can support people anywhere is to set up proxies and distribute info about how to securely access the internet
(5:57:37 PM) JohnWK: But here's the summory for W3. (5:57:44 PM) ShaidMulud [6c10288c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.16.40.140] entered the room.
(5:57:44 PM) vicarious-: geronimouse: I will answer you but it is a bit noisy in here. PM?
(5:57:46 PM) ohthehugemanatee: if we could put together a schematic for a hardware darknet, it would be useful everywhere
(5:57:51 PM) JohnWK: Basically it's a network framework built around the default socket libraries.
(5:57:51 PM) ohthehugemanatee: clownclown: definitely (5:57:53 PM) clownclown: TOR isn't good enough anymore
(5:58:08 PM) ohthehugemanatee: vicarious-: naw, we love the noise - i wanna hear your answer too!
(5:58:09 PM) clownclown: haystack was a joke (5:58:14 PM) mr[a]: not enough people running it :(
(5:58:15 PM) ohthehugemanatee: clownclown: tor is good enough for a bit longer (5:58:25 PM) vicarious-: ok
(5:58:26 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ultimately that's another problem we need solved (5:58:27 PM) clownclown: there needs to be an open source project dedicated to technology solely for this purpose
(5:58:33 PM) ohthehugemanatee: a darknet dns (5:58:36 PM) ***JohnWK raises his hand.
(5:58:45 PM) BarrettBrown: Gentlemen. (5:58:46 PM) JohnWK: I'll get to work on starting a community.
(5:58:47 PM) BarrettBrown: Thanks for coming (5:58:53 PM) ohthehugemanatee: thx JohnWK
(5:58:55 PM) alteranon: vicarious, did you see the defaced tunisian sites? (5:59:06 PM) alteranon: i could send you a file if you provide an email address
(5:59:15 PM) ***ohthehugemanatee is not a fan of defacing other people's sites (5:59:24 PM) ohthehugemanatee: even for media attention, which is a drug to some
(5:59:24 PM) BarrettBrown: Project PM is a distributed think-tank intent on solving various problems of information flow
(5:59:54 PM) BarrettBrown: At this point, we are concentrating on North Africa (6:00:06 PM) clownclown: The idea is that governments cannot get away with crimes against persons when the world is watching, so whatever we do should be to help this information along the pipe at every step
(6:00:17 PM) jsap: governments aren't "people" (6:00:20 PM) BarrettBrown: Campbell Vertesi has built a new method by which we can work and stay organized
(6:00:32 PM) vicarious-: First, let me say that I would like to see Anonymous be effective, but it is hard to write a pro-Anonymous piece when all they seem to do is: 1) DDoS attacks (which are of no significance imho); 2) provide info; 3) extol the media to pay attention; 4) provide a forum for communication
(6:00:32 PM) JohnWK: clownclown: I've got ideas on hardware and software setups so that people can get the word out.
(6:00:39 PM) BarrettBrown: It's found here: http://commons.projectpm.org
(6:00:55 PM) BarrettBrown: vicarious: That's why we're here (6:01:06 PM) alteranon: ¨other people´s sites¨ - in this case it was a Tunisian gov. The Tun gov was killing its people. Then a defacing a site can be of major symbolic importance
(6:01:09 PM) ohthehugemanatee: vicarious in some cases, providing a forum for communication is a very powerful thing
(6:01:09 PM) BarrettBrown: I've been speaking to Gregg Housh and others about how we can encourage Anonymous to be more effective
(6:01:23 PM) BarrettBrown: ohthehugemanatee: Agreed (6:01:26 PM) ohthehugemanatee: esp in cases where censorship is a very serious issue
(6:01:31 PM) BarrettBrown: We are used to being able to communicate freely (6:01:34 PM) BarrettBrown: Others are not
(6:01:41 PM) BarrettBrown: More to the point, we can always be more effective (6:01:43 PM) alteranon: vicarious - what would be more substantive then increasing morale, facilitating communication, creating exposure?
(6:01:52 PM) alteranon: (serious question) (6:01:59 PM) BarrettBrown: Building methods by which to better harness resources is an important step towards our common goals
(6:02:01 PM) clownclown: also (6:02:04 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we believe that free communication is a major part of empowering citizenry to engage and activate
(6:02:17 PM) clownclown: people need to be able to not just securely access twitter to communicate what is going on on the ground to the world
(6:02:36 PM) clownclown: but anonymously organize movements & protest activity (6:02:52 PM) clownclown: so, darknet
(6:02:56 PM) PK3: some of that happened during #optunisia (6:02:58 PM) mr[a]: yh
(6:03:02 PM) JohnWK: Exactly. (6:03:05 PM) alteranon: I would say that if the gov closes communication, then apparently communication is crucially important
(6:03:19 PM) alteranon: it breaks the monopoly of information on which any dictatorial regime relies
(6:03:27 PM) JohnWK: I'm proposing what TheMiNd suggested last night, as well as the W3 framework darknet.
(6:03:36 PM) TheMiNd: In america, twitter may just be an outlet to blog about what you ate for dinner.
(6:03:51 PM) TheMiNd: But in these North African countries, its their way of organizing against oppression.
(6:03:54 PM) clownclown: Twitter has a function but seeing activists using twitter and facebook shends shivers down my spine
(6:03:55 PM) BarrettBrown: With regards to different philosophies we might have on whether governments have the right not be hassled when they infringe on the rights of their people...
(6:04:01 PM) TheMiNd: And we're the ones fighting to help them keep that medium open.
(6:04:05 PM) BarrettBrown: Project PM will always remain seperate from Anonymous. (6:04:13 PM) ayla_n: yeah there were hundreds of tweets per hour last night re #jan25
(6:04:16 PM) TheMiNd: So if that isn't substantial enough for you, I don't know what is.
(6:04:18 PM) vicarious-: alteranon: it's just that there seems to be a disconnect between how effective people claim Anonymous is being and what Anonymous is actually doing...they make it sound like Anonymous is orchestrating and coordinating events, when there appears to be no evidence of such.
(6:04:26 PM) BarrettBrown: That way, those of a more conservative bent can contribute to the common cause without getting involved in things they'd prefer not to
(6:04:30 PM) JohnWK: ohthehugemanatee: creating group now. (6:04:35 PM) clownclown: activity re: egypt still ongoing tonight
(6:04:37 PM) mr[a]: Would projectpm.org put a little logo we have for #operationfreedom on it?
(6:04:40 PM) alteranon: vicarious i strongly agree (6:04:45 PM) JohnWK: What should it be called?
(6:04:50 PM) alteranon: but i think anonymous doesn´t claim that (6:04:55 PM) alteranon: at least it shouldn´t
(6:05:02 PM) mr[a]: It isnt (6:05:07 PM) alteranon: anonymous can help people on the ground to some extent
(6:05:12 PM) alteranon: it can help to tip the balance (6:05:13 PM) SebG: I don't think anon is claiming to orchestrate anything here, they're just facilitating
(6:05:22 PM) alteranon: it should not be interested in causing regime change (6:05:27 PM) ohthehugemanatee: mr[a]: sen me the logo
(6:05:30 PM) SebG: But it's like chemistry, sometimes you need a catalyst (6:05:31 PM) mr[a]: what anonymous did with tunisia is brought the issue to the attention of the press
(6:05:34 PM) ohthehugemanatee: I'm captain of the web team (6:05:35 PM) alteranon: that is for the people of (in this case) Tunisia to do
(6:05:36 PM) mr[a]: its an svg (6:05:42 PM) BarrettBrown: Yeah, I've written several op-eds on the subject and have been careful not to give the impression that Anonymous runs anything
(6:05:45 PM) alteranon: anonymous is not a foreign power seeking to control countries (6:05:55 PM) alteranon: it supports free speech throughout the world
(6:06:10 PM) alteranon: including in tunisia where this was disproportionately important during the last weeks
(6:06:15 PM) ohthehugemanatee: holy crap vicarious- was that enough answers for you? lol
(6:06:20 PM) SebG: hahah (6:06:22 PM) PK3: heh
(6:06:22 PM) BarrettBrown: Everyone, just for a second (6:06:25 PM) vicarious-: right, okay. that is a good point: Anonymous supported free speech throughout the world.
(6:06:26 PM) TheMiNd: vicarious-: Many of the press releases you see regarding our actions are not so much to get positive media attention for ourselves, but to counter negative media should someone do something stupid without consulting the rest of Anonymous, and to try and bring more attention to the situation in these countries.
(6:06:28 PM) BarrettBrown: I'd like to relay some info from weeirdome (6:06:31 PM) BarrettBrown: please note
(6:06:31 PM) mr[a]: Anyone else here who has a website we have a logo (6:06:34 PM) BarrettBrown: Hi, one thing that caught my eye in the logs was communications equipment and networking. What was not discussed is that you need different complexities for different environments. So far the discussion has been centered on permanent/semi-permanent infrastructural stuff as I would call it.
(6:06:34 PM) BarrettBrown: One environment for comms that was not touched on was protests/marches/riots. How can you get a crowd/mob organised and moving and acting in certain ways. The idea that comes to mind is based on the DEFON badges. DEFCON is an annual hackers conference and for the last 5/6 years they produce an electronic badge for all participants (with a competition to hack the badge). Some of the DEFCON badges even had built in multi-u
(6:06:34 PM) BarrettBrown: Here's some interesting things about electronic badges for protests:
(6:06:34 PM) BarrettBrown: they can be proximity aware so that they can recognize each other (friend or foe)
(6:06:34 PM) BarrettBrown: very cheap to make (6:06:35 PM) BarrettBrown: can use RFID or any other technology to communicate
(6:06:35 PM) BarrettBrown: in a protest you need very simple communications so as in what direction is the danger/how far/how big, And also instructions on which direction to move. or even just start/stop.
(6:06:35 PM) BarrettBrown: comms can be done through simple light system or else thru basic sounds & earphone - does not need to be sophisticated. For instance how large of a vocabulary do you think ants or bees have yet they are able to organize/swarm/go here/go there/ etc
(6:06:36 PM) BarrettBrown: badges can be throw away if in danger of arrest -- no history - no logs - no phone calls - no evidence - deniability "sorry officer, i saw this shiny thing on the ground and picked it up - don't know what its for"
(6:06:36 PM) BarrettBrown: need only be given to wardens and protest security staff (6:06:37 PM) BarrettBrown: when directions are "light" based then there is no confusion unlike phones in a noisy areas
(6:06:37 PM) BarrettBrown:http://hackaday.com/?s=defcon+badge
(6:06:53 PM) ayla_n: to me Anonymous is like a friend who steps out of the crowd to stand up to a bully, in a really ballsy way
(6:07:09 PM) BarrettBrown: Pretty accurate assessment (6:07:14 PM) TheMiNd: I was shouting through the phone at CNN's news tip line, not because they weren't covering anonymous, but because they had MICHAEL JACKSON"S DOCTOR on the front page, and NO updates about tunisia.
(6:07:25 PM) BarrettBrown: at least with regards to the moralfag/protestfag factions represented here
(6:07:32 PM) JohnWK: God damn, isn't that guy dead yet. (6:07:50 PM) BarrettBrown: TheMiNd: They don't care. Ignore CNN.
(6:07:57 PM) mr[a]:http://securepastebin.com/go/retrievePost.action?id=6093 <svg file password is faggots
(6:08:00 PM) clownclown: ignore them all completely (6:08:03 PM) ayla_n: i like lulz too tho
(6:08:05 PM) BarrettBrown: We have some plans with regards to pressuring outlets to redo their business models
(6:08:09 PM) ohthehugemanatee: BarrettBrown: good call from weeirdome (6:08:13 PM) BarrettBrown: In fact, Project PM began as purely that
(6:08:21 PM) PK3: +1 to weirdrome's idea (6:08:21 PM) clownclown: we are circumventing the global media not trying to assist it
(6:08:35 PM) BarrettBrown: yeah, Weirdrome is pretty on the ball (6:08:47 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: it's an interesting idea... shoudl we concentrate on more simple devices at first, and move up in complexity?
(6:08:48 PM) Geronimouse: vicarious - I am relatively late comer to this. I can say that anon does not have any power to incite people in oppressed countries to protest/riot... anon tends to follow the action and help where they can. Often seems like there is no organisation at all. It reminds me a schooling fish (not in a bad way) lol
(6:08:55 PM) ShaidMulud left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed). (6:09:05 PM) JohnWK: It depends on what areas need targeting.
(6:09:18 PM) vicarious-: Geronimouse: I see, thanks (6:09:25 PM) JohnWK: If people need cellphones.
(6:09:32 PM) JohnWK: We'll make cellphones with VoIP capabilities. (6:09:40 PM) JohnWK: If people need computers, we'll make them.
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(6:09:47 PM) clownclown: egypt shut down all cell towers in suez (6:09:55 PM) clownclown: then ISPs, then landlines
(6:09:59 PM) clownclown: then electricity altogether (6:10:04 PM) JohnWK: We can still fix that.
(6:10:09 PM) SebG: another +1 to weirdome, not only for that specific idea (which is awesome) but just for bringing up the idea that we need to think outside of the boxes we've put up around ourselves (ie, twitter and irc access)
(6:10:10 PM) clownclown: but you need to plan for that (6:10:12 PM) mr[a]: well obv we need a sattalite
(6:10:15 PM) TheMiNd: do we have instruction in the care package on how to amplify the range of basic wifi routers?
(6:10:20 PM) JohnWK: Routing landlines. (6:10:44 PM) JohnWK: We need a few nodes in north africa recieving sattelite internet.
(6:10:49 PM) JohnWK: Or any other medium. (6:10:58 PM) AndIrc___ [~Android@m83-182-121-53.cust.tele2.se] entered the room.
(6:10:58 PM) JohnWK: Then routing nodes can be placed throughout. (6:11:02 PM) AndIrc_ left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds).
(6:11:09 PM) JohnWK: With customized encryption algorithms. (6:11:17 PM) JohnWK: Can be done in hardware and made volatile.
(6:11:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: we're talking about short term solutions (6:11:24 PM) mr[a]: some guys were working on an OS that was designed for anon style use
(6:11:32 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we could use blowfish and be fine for the time periods we're talking about
(6:11:35 PM) JohnWK: mr[a]: I'm suggesting linux. (6:11:40 PM) mr[a]: was
(6:11:47 PM) TheMiNd left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). (6:11:48 PM) mr[a]: ubuntu security modded
(6:12:00 PM) JohnWK: BackTrack. (6:12:02 PM) mr[a]: they have a super alpha one
(6:12:12 PM) JohnWK: That's the distribution you'd want to use. (6:12:13 PM) vicarious-: I will stay awhile on this server, but use my name in the message so my irc client will alert me that someone is talking to me
(6:12:17 PM) mr[a]: they want a light weight like 100mb one (6:12:20 PM) BarrettBrown_ [~IceChat77@adsl-99-38-8-34.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.
(6:12:25 PM) JohnWK: Again. (6:12:27 PM) JohnWK: BackTrack.
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(6:12:34 PM) JohnWK: it can be loaded onto a USB drive. (6:12:34 PM) mr[a]: yh
(6:12:36 PM) BarrettBrown_: sorry, netbook crashed (6:12:40 PM) Zephon: BackTrack is wonderful
(6:12:45 PM) mr[a]: tis (6:12:47 PM) TheMiNd: my mIRC crashed too :\
(6:12:48 PM) TheMiNd: weird (6:12:53 PM) ohthehugemanatee: mr[a]: if you want linux on a usb drive, there's a good list of anonymity centered distros at http://www.privacylover.com/anonymous-live-cd-list/
(6:12:55 PM) dakanektr: same.. (6:12:55 PM) BarrettBrown_: I was using icechat
(6:12:58 PM) BarrettBrown_: hmmm (6:13:01 PM) clownclown: customize a distro, backtrack will work
(6:13:03 PM) dakanektr: im on pidgin (6:13:03 PM) BarrettBrown_: so a lot of people just crashed?
(6:13:04 PM) BarrettBrown_: at once? (6:13:06 PM) TheMiNd: aye
(6:13:10 PM) mr[a]: not me (6:13:11 PM) JohnWK: Some fun shit.
(6:13:14 PM) PK3: just you two (6:13:15 PM) robinsonchicago: not me
(6:13:15 PM) BarrettBrown_: interesting (6:13:16 PM) PK3: lol
(6:13:17 PM) clownclown: but remember we aren't trying to assist hackers, we are trying to assist activists, KISS
(6:13:33 PM) JohnWK: BackTrack's distro is meant for security. (6:13:40 PM) Zephon: Pen Testing
(6:13:40 PM) JohnWK: Wireshark. (6:13:46 PM) JohnWK: Packet monitoring.
(6:13:48 PM) JohnWK: Tracing. (6:13:48 PM) mr[a]: the OS is planned to have built in vpns, tor etc
(6:13:57 PM) JohnWK: Well, we can obviously customize that. (6:14:02 PM) mr[a]: yup
(6:14:12 PM) BarrettBrown: okay, uncrashed (6:14:12 PM) JohnWK: TOR is getting outdated.
(6:14:14 PM) mr[a]: im no good at that stuff (6:14:19 PM) BarrettBrown_ left the room (quit: Client Quit).
(6:14:22 PM) JohnWK: unfortunately. (6:14:23 PM) mr[a]: if you can do it go for it
(6:14:25 PM) JohnWK: I'm a linux guru. (6:14:29 PM) Zephon: I used TOR for a good 3 or 4 months
(6:14:31 PM) JohnWK: and I stress unfortunately. (6:14:38 PM) JohnWK: XChat can go through a proxy.
(6:14:49 PM) JohnWK: And XChat can be booted onto backtrack. (6:14:52 PM) ohthehugemanatee: projectpm could provide anonymous proxies
(6:14:59 PM) JohnWK: Exactly. (6:15:02 PM) ohthehugemanatee: that delete their logs on a regular schedule
(6:15:08 PM) JohnWK: That's possible. (6:15:11 PM) PK3: is there a free distro of XChat out there that won't expire after a month?
(6:15:13 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hardest part is finding a jurisdiction where we're not liable
(6:15:14 PM) ohthehugemanatee: that's easy (6:15:22 PM) JohnWK: PK3: XChat 2.
(6:15:24 PM) JohnWK: Or YChat. (6:15:27 PM) BarrettBrown: PK3: I recommend using ICechat or
(6:15:32 PM) JohnWK: Free XChat. (6:15:33 PM) ohthehugemanatee: pk3 you might as well look for the firefox plugin that does irc
(6:15:37 PM) PK3: i tried using icechat, it sucked (6:15:41 PM) Zephon left the room ("Leaving").
(6:15:42 PM) BarrettBrown: or pidgin (6:15:43 PM) JohnWK: bro.
(6:15:45 PM) JohnWK: XChat 2. (6:15:47 PM) JohnWK: Google it.
(6:15:48 PM) mr[a]: i use konversation (6:15:49 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome Zephon
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(6:15:55 PM) PK3: i'm using nettalk which is fantastic but i cant seem to get SSL to work with it
(6:15:56 PM) JohnWK:http://www.silverex.org/ (6:16:02 PM) PK3: but i will try xchat 2
(6:16:20 PM) Geronimouse: vicarious - I am guessing here, but it seems the freedom and ease at which the internet brings to ordinary people like us is - in a sense - that we can make a difference. It seems very idealist at times, but it seems to help. I think the image of Annonymous and the sinister sounding YouTube videos probably gives the impression that there is something larger behind it. It's just lots of people
(6:16:20 PM) Geronimouse: with technical skills getting together to help freedom of speech and freedom of information going, regardless of the efforts of governments.
(6:16:32 PM) BarrettBrown: Just a reminder: Campbell has created this as a means to better organize discussion and action: http://commons.projectpm.org
(6:16:48 PM) JohnWK: barrettbrown: Having a tough time coming up with a name for the hardware group.
(6:16:55 PM) mr[a]: i really like the rfid idea (6:17:13 PM) clownclown: This may be outside the scope of this project but oppressive regimes know the effect live video/audio have on remote viewers and the protestors themselves, once they are aware that they can be seen
(6:17:15 PM) TheMiNd: what was weirdrome's idea i missed it (6:17:16 PM) DynamicUno: BarrettBrown - can you link me to that DailyKos press release you sent my work email?
(6:17:21 PM) clownclown: so they routinely target people holding cameras (6:17:21 PM) DynamicUno: Will push that around
(6:17:22 PM) BarrettBrown: yes (6:17:24 PM) clownclown: sometimes with live ammunition
(6:17:30 PM) BarrettBrown:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/26/939078/-Rally-for-North-Africa,-Wikileaks,-Bradley-Manning,-Anon
(6:17:36 PM) DynamicUno: Thanks (6:17:39 PM) TheMiNd: the police prosecute americans who video tape them
(6:17:46 PM) BarrettBrown: DyanmicUno = Tim Ellis, writer for Huffington Post and rave production company owner
(6:17:48 PM) vicarious-: Geronimouse: I understand, but I have to tell you that the videos are somewhat counter-productive in that regard
(6:17:51 PM) BarrettBrown: among other things (6:17:55 PM) ayla_n: rfid - that's funny!
(6:18:01 PM) JohnWK: hah. (6:18:42 PM) clownclown: A concealable camera that can transmit a short distance can bridge the gap without making any one person a target
(6:18:46 PM) PK3: JohnWK, what about calling it SkunkWorks 2? (6:18:51 PM) BarrettBrown: Vicarious: Have you seen the video version of our Guide to Protecting North African Revolution series?
(6:18:55 PM) JohnWK: lol. (6:19:00 PM) JohnWK: Why would we call it that.
(6:19:05 PM) PK3: idk (6:19:09 PM) JohnWK: clownclown: You mean a wire?
(6:19:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: ProjectPM Hardware (6:19:13 PM) clownclown: yes, a wire
(6:19:14 PM) PK3: figured an RnD department needed a sweet name (6:19:15 PM) Geronimouse: I have thought that... you can't deny some of them are works of art though. Gives a sense of drama and urgency to the whole movement.
(6:19:15 PM) PK3: lol (6:19:18 PM) JohnWK: Oh god.
(6:19:19 PM) clownclown: lots of wires (6:19:22 PM) JohnWK: We can do that.
(6:19:34 PM) vicarious-: All: please refer to me as vicarious- so that it highlights on my screen (note the "-" suffix)... thanks
(6:19:35 PM) JohnWK: mini-webcam interface and custom flash recorder. (6:19:39 PM) clownclown: that's a lot safer than say
(6:19:46 PM) clownclown: everyone holding up their cell phone cameras (6:19:47 PM) JohnWK: We can do it with a BeMicro. o_o
(6:19:48 PM) mr[a]: First of all you need people to care about it (6:19:51 PM) BarrettBrown: Vicarious: You search YouTube for "Anonymous Tunisia" to see those videos
(6:19:54 PM) ayla_n: most of the vids are great speaking as a member of the public generally
(6:19:57 PM) ohthehugemanatee: most irc clients do tab-complete for peoples names... start typing their name and press tab
(6:20:07 PM) BarrettBrown: They are simply video versions of the text guides we've been creating
(6:20:11 PM) vicarious-: BarrettBrown: is there a link to that vid? the guide? (6:20:18 PM) BarrettBrown: yes, one second
(6:20:36 PM) Geronimouse: vicarious- I have thought that... you can't deny some of them are works of art though. Gives a sense of drama and urgency to the whole movement.
(6:20:50 PM) vicarious-: Geronimouse: yes, indeed, some are very artistic (6:20:56 PM) BarrettBrown: Vicarious: While I pull that up, please see this: http://i.imgur.com/LfLhN.png
(6:21:17 PM) BarrettBrown: One of our better propaganda works (6:21:23 PM) vicarious-: checking it out
(6:21:25 PM) ayla_n: art is more powerful to people than science, don't forget it my left-brained friends
(6:21:27 PM) clownclown: the idea is that whatever tech protestors are armed with when they go out into the streets, it's small and can easily be dropped without losing the data
(6:21:54 PM) vicarious-: nice (6:22:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ok, this is getting kind of nuts in here
(6:22:15 PM) mr[a]: yup (6:22:22 PM) ohthehugemanatee: BarrettBrown: have you considered having separate meeting times for different groups?
(6:22:25 PM) BarrettBrown: Vicarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvfXtTkZv8
(6:22:26 PM) JohnWK: Majorly. (6:22:37 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ie science journalism could meet at a different time from egypt, from tunisia
(6:22:39 PM) Zephon: I'm trying to follow lol (6:22:47 PM) vicarious-: BarrettBrown: checking the link
(6:22:49 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we could put the times on commons.projectpm.org
(6:22:52 PM) BarrettBrown: Vicarious: And this one just came out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-2jdQjzKtY
(6:22:56 PM) ohthehugemanatee: so people would get email reminders (6:23:00 PM) BarrettBrown: ohthehugemanatee: That's a good idea
(6:23:14 PM) BarrettBrown: I've been too harried over past two weeks to better organize this
(6:23:36 PM) BarrettBrown: Basically spent 12 hours a day in anon IRC's and other venues trying to get things better organized
(6:23:53 PM) PK3: eh (6:23:59 PM) BarrettBrown: and been hit with requests from al-Jazeera and Newsweek, plus I'm supposed to be working on a film treatment
(6:24:11 PM) BarrettBrown: in fact, I won't be very useful for next two days as I finish up that latter project
(6:24:19 PM) BarrettBrown: but it's for Robert Green, who's one of our guys (6:24:32 PM) BarrettBrown: and will be a good fundraiser
(6:24:51 PM) BarrettBrown: we can expect to have a couple thousand dollars soon for things like hardware for Tunisians and Egyptians
(6:25:02 PM) BarrettBrown: in pursuit of our darknet or whatever we end up deciding on
(6:25:11 PM) Zephon: I like the darknet idea (6:25:18 PM) SebG: I think that's a good idea campbell
(6:25:21 PM) BarrettBrown: Zephon: Check out the docs with notes on that (6:25:27 PM) ohthehugemanatee: everyone interested in discussing ProjectPM hardware - physical devices that we can build to help protest organizations, join http://commons.projectpm.org/groups/projectpm-hardware
(6:25:29 PM) BarrettBrown:http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
(6:25:32 PM) Zephon: Got it (6:25:43 PM) BarrettBrown: In fact, that stuff needs to be tranfered over to new PM commons
(6:25:54 PM) BarrettBrown: this as well (6:25:55 PM) BarrettBrown:http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O
(6:26:01 PM) Geronimouse: one question I've always wanted to know the answer to. Are there any Wikileaks members operating/participating in Anonymous movement?
(6:26:04 PM) ohthehugemanatee: SebG: we have calendars on commons,.projectpm.org , we can use those to organize the meetings
(6:26:12 PM) ohthehugemanatee: Geronimouse: probably (6:26:17 PM) ohthehugemanatee: they run in similar circles
(6:26:25 PM) ohthehugemanatee: though the wikileaks guys tend to be more... senior (6:26:27 PM) BarrettBrown: Geronimouse: Not to my knowledge, but as Campbell says, probably
(6:26:28 PM) Geronimouse: I guess we'll never know for sure (6:26:30 PM) ohthehugemanatee: some old LoD members in there
(6:26:34 PM) BarrettBrown: They have their hands full (6:26:45 PM) Geronimouse: LoD?
(6:26:49 PM) SebG: ohthehugemanatee cool, I'm gonna make the Science Journalism group now
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(6:26:53 PM) mr[a]: im gunna have to go soon, BarrettBrown if i email you with the opfreedom stuff could you please email it to your contacts
(6:26:56 PM) BarrettBrown: SebG: sweet (6:27:15 PM) BarrettBrown: mr[a]: Certainly, and thanks for everything thus far
(6:27:19 PM) BarrettBrown: send it to the hushmail (6:27:20 PM) mr[a]: sokay
(6:27:25 PM) scottNY: I encouraqe everyone who is interested ti join the link ohthehugemanatee provided for people interested in discussing hardware: http://commons.projectpm.org/groups/projectpm-hardware
(6:27:28 PM) mr[a]: i dont have your hush (6:27:30 PM) ohthehugemanatee: mr[a]: commons does mailouts for updates to the groups on there
(6:27:40 PM) BarrettBrown: mr[a]: transistor@hushmail.com
(6:27:51 PM) mr[a]: thanks and good luck (6:27:58 PM) mr[a] left the room ("Konversation terminated!").
(6:28:31 PM) JohnWK: ohthehugemanatee: Admin created. (6:29:00 PM) BarrettBrown: Bonobo = my gf, a designer who works with publications and museums
(6:29:17 PM) BarrettBrown: her name is redacted for security (6:29:39 PM) bonobo: "bonobo" just simply popped in my head
(6:29:39 PM) BarrettBrown: as we've already had a preview of what certain bloggers are planning on doing to her due to her association with me
(6:29:45 PM) BarrettBrown: I'll bet (6:29:59 PM) TheMiNd: hmm... given what i know about bonobos, barrett is a very lucky man.
(6:30:02 PM) ayla_n: the world would be better if we acted more like bonobos :) (6:30:08 PM) TheMiNd: oh did i say that outloud?
(6:30:17 PM) JohnWK: lol. (6:30:19 PM) BarrettBrown: oh, also
(6:30:28 PM) BarrettBrown: just got this message from Walter, a new fellow with PM (6:30:31 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hey bonobo - you a graphic dsigner?
(6:30:39 PM) BarrettBrown: I went over to the IRC site, I was going to monitor the conversation, feel out what?s going on, but I keep getting this message?
(6:30:39 PM) BarrettBrown: Internal Server Error (6:30:39 PM) BarrettBrown: The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
(6:30:39 PM) BarrettBrown: Please contact the server administrator, you@example.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
(6:30:39 PM) BarrettBrown: More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
(6:30:40 PM) ohthehugemanatee: got a portfolio we could look at? (6:30:43 PM) BarrettBrown: can someone help?
(6:30:58 PM) ohthehugemanatee: BarrettBrown: what url was he visiting? (6:31:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: what does he mean by "the irc site"?
(6:31:17 PM) BarrettBrown:irc.freenode.net (6:31:19 PM) PK3: which irc site?
(6:31:19 PM) DynamicUno: Barrett - when receiving email via Hushmail from unsecured sources such as Gmail, does Hushmail have a facility for accommodating that securely?
(6:31:35 PM) ***bitmakker raise his hand (6:31:49 PM) BarrettBrown: DynamicUno: I still don't know to what extent
(6:31:52 PM) BarrettBrown: bitmakker: go ahead (6:31:57 PM) BarrettBrown: no need to raise hands here
(6:31:59 PM) DynamicUno: Barrett, it sounds like he's trying to type it into his browser without an IRC client add on
(6:32:07 PM) BarrettBrown: probably, he's a playwright (6:32:11 PM) DynamicUno: Ok
(6:32:14 PM) DynamicUno: Is he using firefox? (6:32:27 PM) BarrettBrown: probably using IE on an IBM from 1988
(6:32:32 PM) DynamicUno: Oh Jesus (6:32:36 PM) ohthehugemanatee: DynamicUno: hushmail can only control it's own security... gmail probably sitll keeps a copy. no way to control that from the outside
(6:32:39 PM) BarrettBrown: lol, just kidding, I don't know (6:32:44 PM) DynamicUno: Understood
(6:32:45 PM) BarrettBrown: I'll just send him a transcript (6:32:46 PM) clownclown: Just running my mouth here: I think the goal here should be to eliminate the distance between activists, and between them and a world audience, without exposing them to any unnecessary danger
(6:32:48 PM) DynamicUno: Thanks Campbell (6:32:50 PM) DynamicUno: yeah that works
(6:32:56 PM) BarrettBrown: clownclown: exactly (6:32:57 PM) bitmakker: concerning the anon video press releases, is there anyway to improve the translations ...
(6:33:12 PM) bitmakker: because there is a lot of mistakes in Arabic and french ... (6:33:14 PM) BarrettBrown: bitmakker: yes, we're actually working on getting translation to be done better
(6:33:18 PM) BarrettBrown: Ayla had an idea on that front (6:33:31 PM) bitmakker: I can help if any need
(6:33:38 PM) BarrettBrown: Ayla_n: You still around? (6:33:43 PM) bitmakker: I'm a native Arabic/French speaker
(6:33:44 PM) ayla_n: yeah (6:33:56 PM) BarrettBrown: ayla_n: We need to set up better translation system
(6:34:05 PM) ayla_n: i thought we could collaborate live instead of typepads (6:34:05 PM) BarrettBrown: ayla_n: Can you be in charge with?
(6:34:14 PM) BarrettBrown: ayla_n: Check out our new commons (6:34:21 PM) BarrettBrown: we can use that to facilitate, I'd imagine
(6:34:28 PM) ayla_n: sure, but i can't get into the other irc without hassls (6:34:43 PM) ohthehugemanatee: DynamicUno: if you want to make things really anonymous across mail systems, you might want http://vanish.cs.washington.edu/index.html
(6:34:44 PM) scottNY:http://commons.projectpm.org/
(6:34:47 PM) ohthehugemanatee: or something similar (6:35:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: hm
(6:35:12 PM) ohthehugemanatee: translation (6:35:27 PM) DynamicUno: Thanks Campbell. Also, the commons is stellar, great work
(6:35:27 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we can get commons translated into multiple languages (6:35:30 PM) ohthehugemanatee: would that be helpful?
(6:35:43 PM) ohthehugemanatee: iirc it supports RTL (right to left) languages like arabic
(6:35:50 PM) ayla_n: is it live like IRC? (6:35:55 PM) scottNY: ayla_n, no
(6:36:03 PM) ohthehugemanatee: no, it's a publishing platform (6:36:04 PM) scottNY: it's more like a message board, organizational tool
(6:36:06 PM) BarrettBrown: Also, while I'm thinking about it (6:36:07 PM) BarrettBrown: This
(6:36:08 PM) BarrettBrown:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/26/939078/-Rally-for-North-Africa,-Wikileaks,-Bradley-Manning,-Anon
(6:36:08 PM) ohthehugemanatee: collaborative, yes (6:36:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: live chat, no
(6:36:15 PM) BarrettBrown: needs to be distributed on reddit and the like. (6:36:37 PM) ayla_n: we've been using type with me and pirate pad, is it different?
(6:37:45 PM) ayla_n: i was thinking it would be nice to have a live area so people could report in and get their messages out in real time
(6:37:58 PM) ayla_n: but not as chaotic as anonops (6:38:23 PM) BarrettBrown: does this commons have live chat?
(6:38:37 PM) ayla_n: and minus some of the more colorful "art" (6:38:49 PM) ayla_n: which might offend some
(6:39:26 PM) clownclown: as nice as it would be to bring 10,000 people into this straight away
(6:39:37 PM) clownclown: it might be wise to grow smart at first rather than fast (6:39:45 PM) bitmakker left the room (quit: ).
(6:40:19 PM) ayla_n: yes clownclown i agree, but the situation is pretty fluid and outstripping us i think
(6:40:31 PM) BarrettBrown left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). (6:40:58 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ayla_n: it doesn't have live chat
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(6:41:08 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it's more about collaborative document writing, news updates
(6:41:11 PM) clownclown: figure out what the hell we are doing, then start branching out to find people with the necessary skills
(6:41:22 PM) ohthehugemanatee: discussion forum (6:41:30 PM) ohthehugemanatee: wiki, that sort of thing
(6:41:35 PM) ayla_n: we have lost a few pages off the typepads somehow, so if this commons is more organized thats a start
(6:41:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it is definitley less chaotic than oanonops (6:41:42 PM) mode (+o BarrettBrown) by ChanServ
(6:41:43 PM) clownclown: rather than just posting projectpm on slashdot tomorrow (6:41:51 PM) BarrettBrown: damn technology
(6:41:58 PM) ohthehugemanatee: two different purposes (6:41:59 PM) BarrettBrown: I mean, uh, hooray for technology!
(6:42:02 PM) ohthehugemanatee: slow, measured, discussion (6:42:06 PM) ohthehugemanatee: or rapid back and forth
(6:42:23 PM) ohthehugemanatee: recorded discussion and solid docs is what commons is for
(6:42:24 PM) ayla_n: how about both? (6:42:32 PM) ohthehugemanatee: two different objectives
(6:42:36 PM) DynamicUno: Yeah definitely (6:42:40 PM) ayla_n: as need arises
(6:42:42 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we already keep logs of the irc discussions on projectpm.org
(6:42:47 PM) ohthehugemanatee: yes, both as need arises (6:42:48 PM) DynamicUno: Commons in conjunction with IRC meets the two needs
(6:42:52 PM) ohthehugemanatee: but different tools for each (6:42:54 PM) ohthehugemanatee: zackly DynamicUno
(6:43:31 PM) PK3: wheeee i just earned 5 points (6:43:36 PM) PK3: apparently
(6:44:09 PM) ohthehugemanatee: pk3 you get a hat! (6:44:14 PM) PK3: i do?
(6:44:16 PM) PK3: win (6:44:18 PM) clownclown: you should add projectpm software to commons
(6:44:25 PM) AndIrc___ left the room (quit: Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting). (6:44:38 PM) BarrettBrown: clownclown: it's not ready quite yet
(6:44:50 PM) BarrettBrown: Campbell, do you guys need more programmers and whatnot? (6:44:54 PM) BarrettBrown: Because we have them now
(6:44:55 PM) PK3: added a discussion to hardware (6:45:15 PM) BarrettBrown: forget about the other ones from earlier who have to be prompted and coddled, we've picked up serious people lately
(6:45:16 PM) ohthehugemanatee: BarrettBrown: always interested in more programmers (6:45:32 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we're less interested in custom code atm
(6:45:37 PM) BarrettBrown: anyone here who would like to assist in developing the PM schematic software, please get in touch with Campbell
(6:45:42 PM) ohthehugemanatee: since we have a solid, robust discussion platform (6:45:48 PM) BarrettBrown: Campbell = ohthehugemanatee
(6:45:50 PM) BarrettBrown: or Tim (6:45:54 PM) BarrettBrown: Tim = DynamicUno
(6:46:35 PM) DynamicUno: Hardware is going to be interested (6:46:36 PM) DynamicUno: *interesting
(6:46:43 PM) BarrettBrown: Also (6:46:45 PM) DynamicUno: we're looking for robust,easily manufactured on site, and simple
(6:46:47 PM) BarrettBrown: This picture needs distribution (6:46:48 PM) BarrettBrown:http://twitpic.com/3tmlos
(6:47:01 PM) JohnWK: Wait, schematic software? (6:47:09 PM) Zephon: That man has my utmost respect.
(6:47:10 PM) DynamicUno: Tunisia or Egypt, Barrett? (6:47:11 PM) BarrettBrown: yes
(6:47:15 PM) BarrettBrown: Egypt (6:47:18 PM) ayla_n: awesome pic
(6:47:27 PM) JohnWK: You do know that schematic software like EAGLE exists. (6:47:44 PM) BarrettBrown: JohnWK: We're building our own custom software to better fulfill our particular needs
(6:47:52 PM) JohnWK: How so. (6:48:14 PM) PK3: i'm gathering a collection of the most badass pictures from Tunisia and Egypt
(6:48:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: it's not schematic software like you're thinking
(6:48:21 PM) PK3: that one certainly qualified (6:48:28 PM) DynamicUno: PK3 - that's a very good project
(6:48:30 PM) JohnWK: Mind filling me in? (6:48:35 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it's like reddit, tweaked and restructured for high quality bloggers
(6:48:37 PM) DynamicUno: Pictures are the key to people's attention (6:48:54 PM) ohthehugemanatee: focus is on quality of content, and trust connections between individuals
(6:49:03 PM) ohthehugemanatee: so instead of subscribing to a subreddit, you subscribe to a person
(6:49:09 PM) JohnWK: ...Oh. (6:49:11 PM) bonobo: true that, DynamicUno
(6:49:12 PM) ohthehugemanatee: anything that person posts, shows up on your frontpage (6:49:20 PM) BarrettBrown: note that the software will come in two flavors
(6:49:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it's an information distribution network (6:49:21 PM) JohnWK: Not at all like I was thinking.
(6:49:21 PM) BarrettBrown: one for bloggers (6:49:24 PM) BarrettBrown: one for everyone else
(6:49:25 PM) ohthehugemanatee: zackly (6:49:26 PM) BarrettBrown: activists, etc
(6:49:28 PM) JohnWK: lol. (6:49:36 PM) JohnWK: Might wanna call it social networking software.
(6:49:38 PM) ohthehugemanatee: EAGLE is better than anything I could build :) (6:49:46 PM) ohthehugemanatee: social media software
(6:49:50 PM) ohthehugemanatee: social networking is different (6:50:04 PM) bonobo: i'm not sure how relevant this is, but has anyone looked at http://www.qwiki.com/ ?
(6:50:18 PM) ayla_n: is this the distributed think tank with the button yer talking about
(6:50:29 PM) bonobo: it's sorta like a media-rich encyclopedia-like wolfram alpha (6:51:27 PM) ayla_n: great idea, very nice
(6:51:33 PM) BarrettBrown: I think we should use another term other than social, or at least consider doing so
(6:51:45 PM) ayla_n: sounds orwellian really (6:51:49 PM) ayla_n: or nanny state
(6:51:58 PM) vicarious-: so would you characterize the events in Egypt as revolution, or just protests/unrest?
(6:52:02 PM) clownclown: collaborative or distributed or whatever (6:52:04 PM) PK3: hmm
(6:52:04 PM) ayla_n: or at least bland (6:52:08 PM) clownclown: vicarious-, way too early to tell
(6:52:12 PM) PK3: give me a branding problem to work on (6:52:16 PM) PK3: i'll get cracking
(6:52:21 PM) jsap left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed). (6:52:52 PM) Geronimouse: vicarious- could go the way Tunisia did
(6:52:53 PM) JohnWK: This is good stuff... (6:53:03 PM) bonobo: an aggregate instead of social network? hm...prob not?
(6:53:04 PM) saladpuncher [~saladpunc@cpe-72-181-211-92.tx.res.rr.com] entered the room.
(6:53:13 PM) BarrettBrown: welcome, fellow Texan (6:53:18 PM) BarrettBrown: and possible Austinite
(6:53:21 PM) PK3: barrettbrown was there a term or phrase needing changing? (6:53:31 PM) bonobo: if it's a social network, then it's focused on active/passive interaction/connectivity
(6:53:38 PM) BarrettBrown: PK3: We'll need to figure out the best possible term for the software we're building for PM
(6:53:48 PM) bonobo: saladpuncher is a software engineer (6:54:04 PM) PK3: personally i love Community Disorganizing
(6:54:08 PM) PK3: but thats just me (6:54:27 PM) ayla_n: lol but not a good idea maybe
(6:54:35 PM) PK3: no (6:54:40 PM) PK3: i just like that phrase
(6:54:43 PM) ayla_n: tho i love it :) (6:54:46 PM) PK3: i'll start tweaking
(6:55:20 PM) BarrettBrown: PK3: You win neologism of the week with "First Amendment remedies"
(6:55:24 PM) PK3: :D (6:55:28 PM) BarrettBrown: perhaps you should be in charge of terminology
(6:55:29 PM) ayla_n: it should sound subversive but not threating (6:55:34 PM) PK3: that's reserved for Operation Printback Barrett
(6:55:45 PM) BarrettBrown: very well (6:55:48 PM) TheMiNd: Community Reorganizing
(6:55:52 PM) PK3: there we go (6:55:55 PM) JohnWK: Gentlemen, we're changing the world.
(6:56:06 PM) bonobo: it depends on what type of social network it is, but "social networking" has either the connotation of the UI/UX of other social networking/2.0 sites and of a general "expansion" of user-generated content
(6:56:09 PM) JohnWK: This has been your report from captain obvious. (6:56:28 PM) PK3: johnwk, we have successfully changed OUR perception of the world
(6:56:35 PM) PK3: we've yet to make a dent in the real problems (6:56:36 PM) clownclown: well that's a start anyway
(6:56:42 PM) PK3: indeed (6:56:46 PM) JohnWK: Let's get a sledgehammer, then.
(6:56:48 PM) JohnWK: :P (6:56:51 PM) PK3: :D
(6:56:53 PM) clownclown: looks like tunisians have changed their perception too (6:56:56 PM) PK3: lol
(6:56:57 PM) PK3: yep (6:57:01 PM) JohnWK: Very nice...
(6:57:04 PM) Zephon: You're thinking smalltime Waker, get a Howitzer (6:57:08 PM) clownclown: and when it comes to power relationships that's what matters
(6:57:09 PM) Zephon: :P (6:57:16 PM) JohnWK: I'm doing a printerstorm tomorrow on my local area.
(6:57:20 PM) PK3: hmm (6:57:23 PM) JohnWK: Recruiting anonymous supporters.
(6:57:33 PM) PK3: thinking of using "Force Multiplier" somewhere in the terminology
(6:57:35 PM) JohnWK: A lot of people started in on me once I told them about you guys.
(6:57:51 PM) JohnWK: And a lot want to help. (6:57:54 PM) BarrettBrown: good
(6:57:57 PM) BarrettBrown: bring in anyone (6:58:15 PM) TheMiNd: what about steam?
(6:58:17 PM) TheMiNd: er (6:58:19 PM) TheMiNd: "Stream"
(6:58:24 PM) JohnWK: lol. (6:58:51 PM) TheMiNd: sorry i'm trying to make soup so i'm back and forth
(6:58:56 PM) TheMiNd: Idea Streaming. (6:59:51 PM) PK3: Concious Consience Connections?
(7:00:06 PM) clownclown: anons are fine but hackers of all types should be involved immediately
(7:00:09 PM) ayla_n: c cubed? (7:00:14 PM) PK3: C cubed!
(7:00:40 PM) ayla_n: like command control and whatever that the mil uses (7:00:49 PM) ayla_n: only opposite
(7:00:56 PM) vicarious- left the room. (7:01:17 PM) PK3: Energy = Morality times Connection Squared?
(7:01:39 PM) PK3: that's more of a sub-logo (7:02:18 PM) ayla_n: sure, its good i think
(7:02:30 PM) DynamicUno: Interconnected Social Media (ISM), call it Active-ISM (7:02:35 PM) ohthehugemanatee: JohnWK: let's set up a separate meeting time for people interested in the hardware wolution
(7:02:38 PM) ohthehugemanatee: solution* (7:02:44 PM) JohnWK: That's what I was thinking.
(7:02:48 PM) bonobo: social media is inherently interconnected (7:02:51 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it's probably not many of us, but we can have a real conversation and brainstorm
(7:03:43 PM) JohnWK: You wanna use this central channel? (7:03:49 PM) ohthehugemanatee: anyone interested in a hardware solution, join #projectpm-hardware to set up a meeting time
(7:03:52 PM) JohnWK: Or #projectpm-hardware? (7:03:55 PM) JohnWK: LOL.
(7:04:02 PM) JohnWK: Great minds think alike. XD (7:04:11 PM) ohthehugemanatee: lol
(7:04:13 PM) DynamicUno: Bonobo: Yes, but Active SM doesn't mean anything lol (7:04:24 PM) godmode [~godmode@cpe-76-170-244-158.socal.res.rr.com] entered the room.
(7:04:48 PM) bonobo: ASM sounds like asmallworld.net
(7:04:51 PM) godmode is now known as Guest53548 (7:04:55 PM) JohnWK: ASSEMBLYYY!
(7:04:57 PM) bonobo:asmallworld.net is the social network for millionaires
(7:04:58 PM) JohnWK: sorry, had to. (7:05:04 PM) Guest53548: how do i join my name?
(7:05:06 PM) bonobo: it's invitation only and super snob (7:05:22 PM) Guest53548: change*
(7:05:23 PM) Guest53548: lol (7:05:23 PM) TheMiNd: lets hack it.
(7:05:27 PM) TheMiNd: Guest53548: type /nick whateveryouwant (7:05:29 PM) bonobo: sure, why not
(7:05:32 PM) PK3: bwhaahaha (7:05:33 PM) Geronimouse: or a shoping centre called assmallworld
(7:05:40 PM) Guest53548: not working :\ (7:05:43 PM) BarrettBrown: A reminder: please distribute this press release
(7:05:43 PM) BarrettBrown:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/26/939078/-Rally-for-North-Africa,-Wikileaks,-Bradley-Manning,-Anon
(7:06:06 PM) BarrettBrown: we are open to further speakers, although City Hall speaking gigs are filled up we have other events planned due to heavy attendance
(7:06:13 PM) Guest53548: asmallworld meet ups happen in jets (7:06:29 PM) ohthehugemanatee: Guest53548: try a more unique name
(7:06:32 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it might just be taken (7:06:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: /nick thisismyname
(7:07:09 PM) ohthehugemanatee: SebG: want to join us in #projectpm-hardware? (7:07:18 PM) ohthehugemanatee: we're setting a date for a brainstorming session on a projectpm device
(7:07:24 PM) ohthehugemanatee: or two (7:07:27 PM) ohthehugemanatee: or three
(7:07:28 PM) ohthehugemanatee: anyone with ideas... (7:07:38 PM) TheMiNd: so what needs to get done tonight?
(7:07:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: lfzr: PK3 come and help us find a time (7:07:43 PM) TheMiNd: and over the next week
(7:09:40 PM) ayla_n: could someone volunteer to help me a little with this translating medium either forum or #channel?
(7:11:42 PM) TheMiNd: egyptians calling for 1million march throughout egypt on friday at 1pm after prayers
(7:12:15 PM) PK3: by the way, i'm going to go dark after friday night. in no way shape or form am i going to cross over the US border with computers or electronics anymore
(7:12:21 PM) PK3: i'll be back sunday (7:12:39 PM) DynamicUno: PK3 are you coming Stateside or leaving?
(7:12:50 PM) PK3: returning to and then leaving (7:12:55 PM) PK3: <-- US expat
(7:13:22 PM) SebG: PK3, because you're worried about them searching the data on them?
(7:13:30 PM) PK3: nah, they'll just fucking take it (7:13:35 PM) PK3: and i'll never see it again
(7:13:41 PM) clownclown: very true (7:13:43 PM) DynamicUno: Oh I see
(7:13:44 PM) TheMiNd:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41280813/ns/technology_and_science-security/
(7:13:47 PM) Guest53548 is now known as g_dm0de (7:13:51 PM) g_dm0de: yay! thanks..
(7:13:54 PM) TheMiNd: they're putting fucking disclaimers on their stories (7:13:55 PM) TheMiNd: fuck them
(7:14:32 PM) clownclown: nbc (7:14:34 PM) clownclown: is owned by ge
(7:15:42 PM) ayla_n: ooh the scary russian mafia! seems like a good place for it imo (7:16:03 PM) ayla_n: its safe there at least
(7:17:19 PM) clownclown: they'll host anything (7:17:38 PM) clownclown: which is why the russians use it
(7:17:55 PM) DynamicUno: lol yeah (7:18:08 PM) DynamicUno: I trust the Russian Mafia more than I trust the American Mafia - er, excuse me, American corporations
(7:18:17 PM) PK3: lol, pay no attention to the fact that MSNBC is brought to you by the Corporate mafia
(7:18:33 PM) PK3: ^^ (7:18:38 PM) ayla_n: it seems pretty bullet proof and those nice russian anons help out occasionally with targets
(7:18:39 PM) PK3: i sense a theme (7:18:52 PM) DynamicUno: Readers of MSNBC.com should be careful - some security experts believe it is run on a site owned by the American Corporate Mafia
(7:19:04 PM) PK3: :D (7:19:13 PM) PK3: should totally post disclaimers everywhere
(7:19:23 PM) ayla_n: ^^^ (7:19:24 PM) DynamicUno:www.unitedstatescongress.net
(7:19:48 PM) DynamicUno: A wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America (7:19:53 PM) TheMiNd: actually, we were thinking a good idea would be to put up some of those tiered internet price plans
(7:19:55 PM) TheMiNd: as fliers (7:20:09 PM) SebG: yep
(7:20:14 PM) TheMiNd: you know the "6 months 29.95" trial type fliers? (7:20:23 PM) TheMiNd: make it look like its real, like they're really charging that
(7:20:58 PM) ayla_n: yes, perfect!! (7:21:15 PM) TheMiNd: so vicarious- doesn't think we're doing anything substantial.
(7:22:07 PM) DynamicUno: Criticism offered without guidance is insubstantial (7:22:08 PM) ayla_n: how can they be so skeptical? i guess you see what you want to
(7:22:20 PM) TheMiNd: now personally, I think keeping comm lines open with these nations is fairly importanl
(7:22:24 PM) PK3: by the way, if anyone with IT or networking experience is up for some harmless mass communication fun, please PM me for a channel and password
(7:22:27 PM) DynamicUno: I think information is more important than bullets (7:22:35 PM) bsiddiqi left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
(7:22:45 PM) TheMiNd: and giving them information... but maybe its not important to know how to treat a bullet wound when your government is firing live ammo at you
(7:23:16 PM) TheMiNd: or how to counter tear gas (7:23:19 PM) DynamicUno: Information SECURITY is critically important in a rebellion situation
(7:23:23 PM) ayla_n: PK3 I would but no experience, how hart do to? (7:23:23 PM) DynamicUno: passing that information around
(7:23:25 PM) DynamicUno: is huge (7:23:27 PM) ayla_n: hard*
(7:23:40 PM) PK3: we'll see. i personally have no relevant skills but the idea is fucking brilliant
(7:24:07 PM) ayla_n: yes of course security and communication is the whole key to coordinating otherwise it really is total chaos
(7:24:35 PM) TheMiNd: someone just had a good point, though (7:24:36 PM) ayla_n: we forgot to mention the care packages
(7:24:41 PM) dakanektr left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (7:24:47 PM) TheMiNd: if the U.S. sides with Mubarak they could name us terrorists
(7:25:00 PM) TheMiNd: well they can do it anytime they want anyway (7:25:13 PM) ayla_n: i'm wondering why they haven't already, really
(7:25:21 PM) TheMiNd: again, they start pulling acne ridden teenagers out of their parents' basements
(7:25:45 PM) DynamicUno: I think Obama will be very careful about Mubarak (7:25:50 PM) TheMiNd: maybe people might start questioning calling people terrorists
(7:25:55 PM) DynamicUno: I don't see him going out of his way to side with somebody the people are actively opposing
(7:26:12 PM) TheMiNd: then again, maybe mubarak will sprout wings and fly to safety in Saudi ARabia
(7:26:13 PM) DynamicUno: For one because it's bad optics, for two because he sees the way the winds are shifting, and for three because he genuinely does believe in democracy
(7:26:37 PM) TheMiNd: you know, if he was a republican president, I'd love him (7:26:44 PM) clownclown: He doesn't appear to believe in anytihng at all
(7:26:45 PM) TheMiNd: but he ran as a progressive, so i'm immensely frustrated. (7:26:51 PM) DynamicUno: I disagree
(7:26:58 PM) DynamicUno: I think we all wanted him to be the third Roosevelt (7:27:07 PM) DynamicUno: But one thing he has been is enormously productive
(7:27:14 PM) DynamicUno: Health care is settled - universal coverage is now inevitable
(7:27:24 PM) DynamicUno: That (7:27:27 PM) DynamicUno: is huge
(7:27:27 PM) clownclown: let's not talk about this here (7:27:29 PM) ayla_n: that idiot Biden called Assange a terrorist, yeah, i think Barack has fast-forwarded the US revolution and I voted for him
(7:27:46 PM) DynamicUno: Far from perfect, but I think underestimate Barack Obama (7:27:50 PM) DynamicUno: I think he knows just what he's doing
(7:27:50 PM) TheMiNd: yeah we need to figure out what needs to get done over the next week
(7:28:04 PM) ayla_n: right (7:28:26 PM) TheMiNd: and what's he doing nominating the banksters to key economic positions :\
(7:28:43 PM) ayla_n: he's whipped, lets move on.... (7:29:09 PM) ayla_n: not his fault, its ours
(7:29:34 PM) alteranon: I´m going to bed now. Just want to say that I´m very impressed by the stuff that you people are doing. I think it´s very substantive!
(7:29:49 PM) DynamicUno: Good night Alteranon (7:29:49 PM) BarrettBrown: alteranon: thanks for coming
(7:29:56 PM) BarrettBrown: and for your efforts (7:30:03 PM) SebG: night alteranon
(7:30:08 PM) alteranon: I enjoyed reading along (7:30:21 PM) ayla_n: wish i could go to your hactivist thing!
(7:30:26 PM) BarrettBrown: we'll send you a transcript (7:30:31 PM) BarrettBrown: oh, your e-mail?
(7:30:40 PM) BarrettBrown: better yet, e-mail me at transistor@hushmail.com
(7:30:48 PM) BarrettBrown: that goes for anyone else (7:30:54 PM) BarrettBrown: who is new here
(7:31:24 PM) alteranon: I ´ll send you an email Barrett and I ´ll keep the channel open to read the rest of the chats tomorrow
(7:31:36 PM) BarrettBrown: hgreat (7:31:44 PM) BarrettBrown: everyone, feel free to idle here at all times
(7:31:45 PM) bonobo: i made this just now (7:31:45 PM) bonobo:http://i.imgur.com/F7Wml.png
(7:31:50 PM) BarrettBrown: as we discuss throughout the week (7:32:16 PM) BarrettBrown: great start, sweetheart
(7:32:51 PM) TheMiNd: did you guys see GlobaLeaks? (7:33:01 PM) TheMiNd:http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/01/26/globaleaks-wants-to-be-the-bittorrent-to-wikileaks-napster/
(7:33:27 PM) BarrettBrown: I haven't had a chance yet but will look (7:33:53 PM) TheMiNd:http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/f9i1u/advice_for_all_who_dissent_on_the_streets_and/
(7:34:29 PM) TheMiNd: *Fire extinguishers (7:34:29 PM) TheMiNd: Though they're heavy, they can be used with great efficacy to blind riot police and incapacitate them with the fumes.
(7:34:32 PM) TheMiNd: brilliant (7:34:42 PM) JohnWK: Gentlemen, and ladies, I shall be off.
(7:34:55 PM) JohnWK: Keep me posted, guys. (7:35:06 PM) JohnWK left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).
(7:35:48 PM) ohthehugemanatee: well, the hardware group is off to a running start on commons.projectpm.org .
(7:35:58 PM) ohthehugemanatee: get your group started, and let's get organized! (7:36:27 PM) clownclown: I'll sign up tomorrow, need a new email address for this
(7:36:37 PM) TheMiNd: spray painting face shields is fucking brilliant (7:36:38 PM) BarrettBrown: might leave links to Guide to Protecting Tunisian Revolution at that reddit thread TheMiNd posted
(7:36:58 PM) clownclown: I'm pretty suspicious of reddit but some of the smaller communities are alright
(7:37:20 PM) BarrettBrown: clownclown: it has its uses. (7:37:28 PM) BarrettBrown: it's also become terrible over the years
(7:37:29 PM) clownclown: the userbase (7:37:38 PM) TheMiNd:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xmFHIIGFC-AJ:www.scribd.com/doc/2869557/Shield-Tactics+%22never+underestimate+what+the+police+will+do%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
(7:37:55 PM) clownclown: They will jump on any cause (7:37:58 PM) TheMiNd: reddit is like 4chan with karma
(7:38:01 PM) clownclown: but they have the attention span of fleas (7:38:16 PM) clownclown: and the self awareness of
(7:38:23 PM) clownclown: PLANTS (7:38:33 PM) ohthehugemanatee: use your real email
(7:38:36 PM) ohthehugemanatee: stand up for what you believe in (7:38:42 PM) ohthehugemanatee: you're not doing anything illegal
(7:38:43 PM) TheMiNd: and a lot of them are slacktivists are happy enough to sign petitions online or make donations to random people to make themselves feel good
(7:38:45 PM) ohthehugemanatee: stand and be counted dammit (7:38:53 PM) dakanektr [~Matt@n2-151-157.dhcp.drexel.edu] entered the room.
(7:38:53 PM) clownclown: yeah, that (7:39:16 PM) clownclown: that's the problem with having them behind you
(7:39:37 PM) TheMiNd: i went to a rally to restore sanity (7:39:41 PM) clownclown: ugh
(7:39:46 PM) BarrettBrown: okay, got phone interview in two minutes but will be back (7:39:59 PM) TheMiNd: but I question what that really did except give a bunch of gen Yers an excuse to fly to DC for a concert
(7:40:08 PM) clownclown: Stop patting yourselves on the back and grow up guys (7:40:43 PM) BarrettBrown: yeah, reddit sucks giant balls
(7:41:00 PM) clownclown: thanks for saying it (7:41:05 PM) BarrettBrown: I've used it for various things, like getting a senate candidate to answer questions and promise to consult a subreddit if elected
(7:41:09 PM) BarrettBrown: he didn't do too well (7:41:14 PM) BarrettBrown: but stuff like that
(7:41:16 PM) BarrettBrown: needs to be done (7:41:19 PM) BarrettBrown: just not on reddit
(7:41:34 PM) BarrettBrown: or bawwwwww.com, as I've taken to calling it
(7:41:45 PM) clownclown: I used to troll reddit (7:41:50 PM) clownclown: I gave up because it WAS SO EASY
(7:43:14 PM) ayla_n: any of you still here interested in helping me set up some kind of functional translation platform? I'm clueless with IT anything :(
(7:44:40 PM) TheMiNd: lol i got 2000 karma one day, b/c I went into Foodit and said "Guys HELP I ran my cast iron frying pan through the dishwasher 3 times and it still feels greasy!"
(7:44:52 PM) PK3: rofl (7:45:02 PM) TheMiNd: and every foody in the subreddit went into the thread to call me an idiot
(7:45:22 PM) TheMiNd: only to find out that i'd trolled them hard (7:45:25 PM) saladpuncher: trolling the foodies...hehe
(7:45:59 PM) DynamicUno: ayla_n -what are you trying to build precisely? (7:46:13 PM) TheMiNd: I'd recommend taking an aspirin or two before joining a riot or protest where the riot police are using non-lethal rounds. Most of those accidental deaths are due to blood clots forming in the bruises and drifting into the heart or brain.
(7:46:30 PM) TheMiNd: <3 anarchists (7:47:07 PM) TheMiNd: I know how to use reddit
(7:47:12 PM) TheMiNd: yeah they're slacktivists (7:47:17 PM) TheMiNd: but they have deep pockets
(7:47:17 PM) ayla_n: i don't know, just some place where people wanting stuff translated from various to various can do it
(7:47:38 PM) TheMiNd: lets get a fund going to buy shit we need in north africa (7:47:44 PM) TheMiNd: and post it to reddit
(7:48:22 PM) ayla_n: DynamicUno: a live chat forum would be ideal, with a forum for posters and reports to be worked on
(7:48:45 PM) TheMiNd: our own secured etherpad would be nice too (7:48:53 PM) PK3: yes please
(7:49:02 PM) PK3: one that didnt broadcast harvestable IP addresses (7:49:35 PM) ayla_n: right! do we go to the hardware forum to get this info?
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(7:50:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ayla_n: how are you thinking of doing this? (7:50:45 PM) ohthehugemanatee: I can set up translations on commons
(7:50:56 PM) ohthehugemanatee: so every document, wiki page, event, etc can be translated into other languages
(7:51:02 PM) TheMiNd: oh yeah (7:51:03 PM) DynamicUno: ayla_n - set up a commons group
(7:51:08 PM) TheMiNd: Coke would work to counter tear gas too (7:51:16 PM) DynamicUno: Yes, what Campbell said
(7:51:18 PM) DynamicUno: lol (7:51:23 PM) ohthehugemanatee: just click a translate tab, pick your language from the list we define, and add your translation
(7:51:36 PM) ayla_n: I don't know how to set it up....im an idiot with this stuff (7:51:47 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ayla_n: i can set it up, but i need to know it meets your needs
(7:51:56 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ultimately what that does is mean that viewers can select a language
(7:51:59 PM) ayla_n: i still haven't even figured out how to make a truecrypt iso that works : |
(7:52:04 PM) ohthehugemanatee: if they pick french, they will see content translated into french
(7:52:19 PM) ohthehugemanatee: anything not translated will show in english, or not at all if we want
(7:52:29 PM) ayla_n: ok that sounds good. (7:52:41 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ok, the latest commons beta does that
(7:52:55 PM) ohthehugemanatee: is the idea to translate the docs we provide on commons? or to translate other stuff?
(7:53:06 PM) ayla_n: alright, I'll take a look and only whine if i can't figure it out
(7:53:34 PM) ayla_n: we are already translating things on etherpads but its a bit disorganized and they link off to other pads and get disappeared etc
(7:53:56 PM) ohthehugemanatee: ayla_n: it's not there atm (7:54:01 PM) ohthehugemanatee: i'll have to add the functionality
(7:54:03 PM) ohthehugemanatee: so don't look yet (7:54:09 PM) ohthehugemanatee: :)(
(7:54:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: :) (7:54:11 PM) SebG: I think it'd be a pretty good start if we can get a copy of all the documents centralized on commons
(7:54:21 PM) SebG: but what the heck to I know (7:54:22 PM) ohthehugemanatee: SebG: DEFINITELy
(7:54:26 PM) ohthehugemanatee: you wanna copy them over? (7:54:27 PM) ayla_n: yes for sure.... its bad now
(7:54:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: honestly i'd b ok with just linking to the etherpads
(7:54:43 PM) ohthehugemanatee: but hard documents are better (7:54:55 PM) SebG: I can copy over the ones that I've been able to keep track of
(7:55:01 PM) ayla_n: we lost an entire long document in French, suxx (7:55:14 PM) ayla_n: at least we don't know where it went...
(7:56:11 PM) ayla_n: and the people who translated it are in the midst of a revolution and a bit "busy" now
(7:56:58 PM) clownclown left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving). (7:57:03 PM) ohthehugemanatee: dommage
(7:57:14 PM) ayla_n: that's where the live thing could come in, as a communication hub that doesn't have the challenges of anonops irc but the chat element
(7:57:25 PM) ohthehugemanatee: et on n'a pas gardé le url? tempis! (7:57:39 PM) ohthehugemanatee: yeah
(7:57:51 PM) ayla_n: oui qu'elle domage!! (7:58:10 PM) ohthehugemanatee: well i can have the bot start logging our IRC channel to commons instead of the main projectpm site
(7:58:16 PM) ohthehugemanatee: that woul dmake the log more... accessible (7:58:18 PM) ayla_n: i swear it wasn't me....
(7:58:52 PM) SebG: that sounds like a good idea too (7:59:04 PM) TheMiNd: hmmm
(7:59:23 PM) SebG: apparently I don't have any of the pad urls on this computer so I can't help with copying them right now
(7:59:30 PM) TheMiNd: what are the ethics of potentially permanently blinding security forces who are firing live ammo into a crowd?
(7:59:42 PM) ayla_n: I will go fish them out and poste (8:01:10 PM) ayla_n:http://typewith.me/3koSuMGO8O Tunisian diary
(8:03:06 PM) ohthehugemanatee: add them to communities you think are relevant (8:03:15 PM) ohthehugemanatee: let's get these docs into a more permanent format
(8:03:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee: i have to go to bed, guys (8:03:21 PM) ohthehugemanatee: it's late here
(8:03:23 PM) ayla_n:http://typewith.me/optunisia Central pad for optunisia
(8:03:40 PM) ayla_n: sweet dreams! (8:05:00 PM) ohthehugemanatee: night
(8:05:20 PM) ohthehugemanatee left the room (quit: Quit: ohthehugemanatee). (8:05:42 PM) BarrettBrown: hey
(8:05:46 PM) BarrettBrown: TheMiNd (8:05:50 PM) BarrettBrown: you wanna talk to a reporter?
(8:06:19 PM) TheMiNd: i am at baseline right now I can't talk coherently (8:08:26 PM) Geronimouse left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 255 seconds).
