Re: Thanks for the link
Subject: Re: Thanks for the link
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 1/3/11, 14:39
To: ggreenwald@salon.com

Glenn-

Sorry to bother you again, but my producer, Robert Green, has been talking to Ryan Singel at Wired and I wanted to show you his most recent reply to Singel's rather incompetent attacks on you. Incidentally, Green served as Hitchens' fact checker and is a hell of a guy who thinks very highly of you (he does say in passing that you're "being an asshole" but doesn't actually think that to be the case, and at any rate he thinks I'm an asshole, too, quite correctly). Here it is:

there's a similar story of sorts underneath all of this.

i think my dad may have written it in The Nation (he's on the editorial board there) years ago but it basically said about torture and the "he has the codes and we are all going to die if we don't kneecap him kiefer" scenario.  the question is always "WHAT DO YOU DO, WHAT DO YOU DO?".  

the assumptions are:
1) that torture will be efficacious
2) that nothing else will
3) that time is of the utmost essence
4) that torture, even in these circumstances, and for good reasons, remains illegal.

so you have that data (and terrorist dude, let's describe him as swarthy to keep the racists happy) and you are the guy sitting in front of the dude.  what do you do?

to me, the answer is obvious.  you torture the guy and hope that 1) will actually be true.  then you do that thing where you jump onto the moving train from the bridge above and cut the red wire or whatever.

THEN

you face the consequences.  you committed a crime and deserve whatever the appropriate punishment is.  you surrender yourself and make clear that you are NOT asking for clemency.

that's how it works in a civil society that faces crises, whether temporal or more stretched out.  that's how i see what manning did, FWIW.



right now we have a major rolling crisis, best described in the el pais article today i think.  our elite institutions, which are quite easy to personify in the individuals who have been running them, have failed us.  in every way that matters, things are getting fucked up worse and worse.  major problems are not being addressed so that a select few may make massive short term gains, or to quote jaz of killing joke "feather the nest and fuck the rest".  what wikileaks has done has been to take a broadsword and smash the elites upside the head, not just now but in a way hopefully that creates an external moral hazard for bad behavior.

maybe.  we are talking geo-engineering here on an internet scale.  so who knows?  but at the moment it strikes me as FAR better than nothing, and probably more important than anything else.

Wired has decided to be the gossip rag of this event.  digging up and working on theories of behavior, both criminal and personal, that really amount to what EW does in that same building.  that's too bad.  what's going on is far more important than that and i think a side has been chosen, not a political one but a "this is what wired does" side that seems debased and low.  to me.  

i'm not going to address the substance of your reply because it seems to me you have similar feelings to evan, so we aren't going to agree. i feel that kevin's response was shocking insofar as he said "glenn greenwald accuses me of x" then copped to "x" then said "but i didn't do x".  it was just...fucking pathetic.  embarrassing.  so clearly we don't have common ground there.  and i have to say i didn't read glenn's stuff to suggest that kevin was possibly a fed.  i can see where that is a tough thing to insinuate.  very sharp-elbowed.

and YES, greenwald is being an asshole.  but he is an individual.  you are an institution.  i get NOTHING done by being nice with institutions.  i usually start by asking.  "no, can't do it."  then i cajole.  "sorry, not in our records".  then i beg. "look ,we  would love to help but we can't."  then i demand "talk to the lawyers" then i threaten and tantrum and finally "oh, we are so sorry, we DO have your paycheck."  that's my experience.  it's hardly like greenwald is wrong--you guys will inevitably release more after he yelled then after he asked.  

ask my wife about getting her cab fare reimbursed by Wired for her last job.  or the one before that.  or before that.  or anytime that fucking rhymes with bunt brenna was the photo editor.  only being an asshole made anything work.

also, i really do appreciate you getting back to me and taking the time.  very cool.

RG

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't imagine how someone can read even just the beginning of the exchange on either side and not understand what the issue is, as this fellow claims, and I suspect the motivation is some sort of faux above-it-allnes that certain pundits like putting forward before throwing in their opinion as well. It takes a severe lack of self-awareness to criticize someone else for being involved in their own dispute before jumping in himself despite not being involved in any fashion.


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:34 AM, <ggreenwald@salon.com> wrote:
Thanks Barrett - I well know the vicious mendacity of Charles Johnson, but yeah - even though I tried, there is still lots of commentary around to the effect of "Internet spat between Glenn Greenwald and Wired!  Who can figure out what it means???"

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/12/29/the_curious_case_of_glenn_greenwald_vs_wired_magazine

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From: "Barrett Brown" <barriticus@gmail.com>
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" That's how these disputes often work by design: the party whose conduct is in question (here, Wired ) attacks the critic in order to create the impression that it's all just some sort of screeching personality feud devoid of substance. That, in turn, causes some bystanders to cheer for whichever side they already like and boo the side they already dislike, as though it's some sort of entertaining wrestling match, while everyone else dismisses it all as some sort of trivial Internet catfight not worth sorting out. "


This is exactly the case, as I know from recent experience when Charles Johnson and his people began accusing me of criminal activity and being funded by the Russian mafia because I work with Anonymous figure Gregg Housh and have been raising money for and advocating Wikileaks since the beginning of the year. When I objected, Johnson banned me and began making additional false accusations (while his commenters openly discussed reporting me to the FBI), to which I responded in a short video in an attempt to protect myself and my organization from continued libel. Although a number of people did take my side and actually joined my group, others ridiculed me for caring about "the internet."


Good work on pointing out the dishonesty on the part of Wired while also maintaining the focus on the issue in question. It's a near-impossible juggling act that I can't imagine anyone else handling with the agility you have displayed.


On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Barrett Brown < barriticus@gmail.com > wrote:


Glenn-


Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.


The book should be released in the next few months; I was hearing August but I doubt that's possible now. I'll keep you updated.


The project I mentioned involves two networks: the blogger network described below, and another network that will operate in a similar fashion but which will include participants of differing skill sets and backgrounds while serving as a sort of distributed think-tank, but potentially more useful than the average think-tank, which you'd probably agree is not set up in such a way as to take anything close to maximum advantages of its human resources. Our overall intent has been to design a series of related schematics by which to improve upon communication and corroboration while also building up a new sort of entity that would operate under these schematics.


For our blogger network, we've recruited Michael Hastings as well as Juan Cole, Allison Kilkenny, the fellows at Instaputz, E.D. Kain, Charles Johnson, and a number of others, including those specializing in non-political topics such as science. For our other network, we have former Washington Post editorial board member Gina Acosta (who is now a critic of that institution), novelist and former CIA Directorate of Operations operative Barry Eisler (ditto), Case Western University Professor Mano Singham, and dozens of others, all of whom we are working to integrate into a single entity that will eventually be capable of growing perpetually and adding new capabilities while also maintaining operational coherence.


For now, I've pasted a basic description of how the blogger network will operate below; let me know if you'd like to see further materials or have any specific questions at this point.


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Information flow is fundamental to the success of every manner of human collaboration. Nonetheless, the processes by which information is gathered, handled, transferred, and acted upon receive far less attention than is warranted. The purpose of Project PM is to change this dynamic by developing new techniques with which to more efficiently conduct information.

Because the great preponderance of information crucial to the success of a representative government is transferred through the media, Project PM focuses primarily on media reform. Our first and foremost effort has been to establish a distributed media cartel made up of bloggers as well as journalists who work at least in part through online media. Rather than simply assembling this group of exceptional media professionals into an online outlet similar to those currently in existence, we are instead organizing our participants into a network which itself operates under a unique schematic designed to take best advantage of the internet as a medium while simultaneously avoiding the drawbacks common to even the best online communities.

In order to seed the network, we have recruited around two dozen bloggers and journalists whom we have identified as particularly competent and intellectually honest. Each of these individuals is encouraged to bring other bloggers into the network based on their own judgment; these new participants are then connected to the blogger who has brought them in and may likewise bring others into the network,and so on . As such, the network grows perpetually while maintaining a high average quality in terms of its participants, as is explained further below.

Upon the launch of our network, each of the initial bloggers will be connected to each other via a widget which is embedded on their respective blogs, as well as connected to those whom they’ve recruited. When a particular individual composes a piece of work that he considers to be of particular merit, the individual pushes a single button which causes the article in question to be sent to all of the bloggers to whom he is connected. Each of those bloggers in turn then decides whether or not they agree that the article is worthy of greater attention; if so, they push the button and thereby send it along to every blogger to whom they themselves are connected. Thus it is that information deemed worthy of attention by some great number of erudite and honest individuals from a variety of backgrounds will tend to perpetuate through the system and gain a larger audience than they might otherwise receive.

As the network expands by way of the process described above, it is inevitable that there will be failures of judgement on the part of participants when choosing additional bloggers to bring into the network. Let us say that Blogger X, who is rather competent, brings in Blogger Y, who is only moderately so, and who in turn brings in Blogger Z, who is a giant douchebag. Blogger Z begins composing and pushing forward posts to the effect that Barack Obama was born in Tehran or that ethanol subsidies are awesome or some such thing – but these posts only initially go to Blogger Y and whatever horrid bloggers Blogger Z has brought in himself, assuming he has brough in any. Blogger Y may or may not be inclined to push forward these nonsense posts, but Blogger X will almost certainly delete them immediately and is quite likely to disolve his connection to Blogger Y for displaying such poor judgement. Thus it is that the system is defended from deterioration by the high competence of the initial round of bloggers and consequently comparable competence of those brought in gradually afterwards, coupled with the nature of the schematic itself. No supervision is necessary for the network to expand while maintaining a high level of quality.

A few other characteristics bear noting. Any participant may connect to any other participant who agrees to the connection, no matter “where” each participant resides in the network, and thus the network is likely to evolve from the shape of a pyramid to that of a web, which is advantageous in terms of ensuring that good information does not become overly “regionalized.” All participants are equal regardless of the order in which they joined. Participants are free to bring on as many other bloggers as they would like, although they will find that it is to their own advantage to be selective in this regard.

The system is capped off with another widget distinct from that used by the bloggers – the reader widget, a downloadable application which displays those posts which have been pushed forward a certain number of times (as set by the individual reader). The end result should be the best system of news and information filtration that has ever existed.








On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, < ggreenwald@salon.com > wrote:


Hi Barrett - Nice to hear from you. Michael emailed me a few weeks ago and we exchanged some thoughts about all of this.

Thanks for sending the transcript, which I will definitely take a look at. I actually thought about doing a book somewhat related awhile ago -- it was going to be America's 10 Worst Pundits, or something like that -- and then get sidetracked on a couple other book projects, so this sounds great. When will it be released? If you want to do something surrounding it like a podcast interview or something, let me know.

And I'd love to hear about the journalism project you're working on. I've actually been working on one myself with Dan Froomkin, Jay Rosen and a couple others about standards for newspapers to release all original source material online, so I'm interesting in hearing what you're doing.

Glenn Greenwald




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From: "Barrett Brown" < barriticus@gmail.com >
To: GGreenwald@salon.com
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:40:16 PM (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected
Subject: Thanks for the link

Mr. Greenwald-


I'm gratified that you appreciated my Vanity Fair piece on Michael Hastings and felt inclined to link to it a few weeks back, most particularly since you happen to be the blogger whom I most often cite as indicative of how the blogosphere allows superior commentators who would otherwise be unlikely to reach a large audience to, uh, reach a large audience. In fact, I mention you twice in my upcoming book on the failed American punditry, along with Juan Cole, who has since joined up with the project that Hastings and I are spearheading in an effort to change the overriding media dynamic by way of a new methodology we have developed for the purpose. Incidentally, Hastings is also very grateful for the support shown by you, Sullivan, and others who have made the obvious case that "access" alone is useless to the body politic, and that the media at large is largely responsible for the events of the past decade.


In case you're interested, I have attached the latest draft of the manuscript, which includes chapters on Thomas Friedman, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Cohen, Martin Peretz, William Bennett, and Robert Stacy McCain, while also attempting to make the larger case that in a society marked by accelerating change, the U.S. cannot afford to continue on its present path in terms of information flow. And if you'd like to learn more about our project and its potential viability, feel free to e-mail or call at your convenience.


At any rate, thanks for the work you've been doing over the past several years.

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Barrett Brown
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