Chat Transcript, Wed 12-8-2010
Subject: Chat Transcript, Wed 12-8-2010
From: Tim Ellis <dynamic@nocturnalcommissions.com>
Date: 12/8/10, 20:33
To: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>

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<BarrettBrown> Also, Nick, can you make sure that a transcript of what he's missed

<BarrettBrown> oh, nevermind, Tim's here

<DynamicUno> Evening

<BarrettBrown> Tim, meet Gregg Housh and Kenneth Lipp

<Emma> and me

<DynamicUno> Hello Gregg and Kenneth

<DynamicUno> And Emma

<Emma> hello

<kenkogni> hello

<projectpmbot> hola

<BarrettBrown> link regarding former: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/8/927135/-Anonymous-launches-new-Wikileaks-defense-effort

<Xphox> Hey Tim!

<DynamicUno> Ahh excellent

<DynamicUno> Hey Nick!

<BarrettBrown> link regarding latter: http://cultureisaweapon.blogspot.com/2010/12/this-post-is-dedicated-to-friend-who.html

<c0sfreenode> Hello Tim

<BarrettBrown> Nick can hopefully provide you with a transcript thus far but we really only went over general stuff anyway

 <DynamicUno>Alright sounds good

 <BarrettBrown> Okay, Dr. Lipp, would you like to introduce yourself?

<Xphox> Tim I've emailed you the transcript to NC address.

<Emma> KENNETH

<DynamicUno> Thanks Nick

<kenkogni> ywa

<kenkogni> Hi, my name is Kenneth, that or Ken will do. Unless dissenting, then Sir Dr. Ken.

<Emma> not a Sir yet Sir Ken

<BarrettBrown> Thanks. Tell everyone your general background and then a summary of First Praxis.

<Emma> in your own time

<scottNY> and no fancy speak please :)

<BarrettBrown> you have five seconds

<kenkogni> I'm an ethologist at Darwin College, studying behavioural correlates in prosian genetics

<Emma> yay!

<BarrettBrown> That was close, almost had to shoot the first hostage

<Emma> lol

<kenkogni> I've forgotten english for a moment

<BarrettBrown> Now, First Praxis summary, please. They also have a link to your announcement.

<Emma> what does prosian mean Dr Kenneth?

<BarrettBrown> prosimian

<kenkogni> It means shut up\

<BarrettBrown> or that

<kenkogni> Thank you , Barrett.

<Emma> how rude

<Emma> I shall google then

<scottNY> kenkogni: thanks for using simple words :)

<lfzr> hey all

<kenkogni> No problem, much time everyday with tarsiers

* lfzr tips hat

<Emma> hello

<DynamicUno> Hey Sundeep, Sir Dr. Ken was just introducing himself and First Praxis

<scottNY> Emma: can you let me know what ethologist and prosian are?

<Emma> are you 13 yet?

<lfzr> almost

<lfzr> 2 more days

<BarrettBrown> Everyone, lfzr is Sundeep, a brilliant young programmer

<BarrettBrown> ... who is heavily involved in creating our software

<Emma> yes I am writing a paper on it and will present it at the next meeting

<scottNY> Emma: please include tarsiers

<kenkogni> Hello.

<projectpmbot> what's up

<Emma> I intend to

<kenkogni> She will

<BarrettBrown> Sundeep, this Dr. Kenneth Lipp, whose African health development project will be powered to some degree by the software you're building

<lfzr> not brilliant, but the rest is accurate ;) lol

<lfzr> hello Kenneth

<scottNY> concur with programmer and young ;)

<lfzr> nice to meet you :)

 <scottNY>jk

<kenkogni> Tarsiers are haplorrhini primates.

<Emma> oh you

<BarrettBrown> Like all programmers, Sundeep is of Indian descent and 11 years old.

<lfzr> 9 to be accurate

<Emma> lol

<kenkogni> Knew that

<BarrettBrown> When he turns 15 he'll be shuttled off to medical school in an ancient Hindu ceremony

<Emma> shuttled

<scottNY> ahh, well kenkogni, haplorrhini, that explains it

<BarrettBrown> Seriously, though, let's hear about First Praxis

<scottNY> firefox doesn't even recognize it as a word

<lfzr> hahaha

<lfzr> med school sounds boring

<lfzr> anyway lets get on to the good stuff

<Emma> teh girls

<lfzr> ofc

<scottNY> teh?

<lfzr> canuck speak

<kenkogni> it's like a squirrel. k?

<scottNY> ok squirrels i know

<kenkogni> monkey squirrel

<scottNY> another time then

<scottNY> kenkogni: I think BarrettBrown wants you to talk about First Praxis.

<kenkogni> I have a blog on it. Very confused

<BarrettBrown> Just give us a quick summary

<Emma> PLEASE

<Emma> NOW

<BarrettBrown> They'll see the blog, but can you tell us a bit about what it is and how you'll be going about it so that we can better decide how to assist you?

<kenkogni> Praxis is an effort to use global networking to increase international health outcomes

<kenkogni> "praxis" is jp sartres fave term

<Emma> so read the blog :)

<kenkogni> it means the comprehensive state of things, bound by our objectification of the subjective. Praxis has as it's goa

<kenkogni> hush, you're throwing me off

<scottNY> sounds specific ;)

<c0sfreenode> I do believe a big LET THE MAN SPEAK is in order here.

<scottNY> touchr

<scottNY> touche

<kenkogni> Yes, and some physical assistanc

<scottNY> kindly continue

<Emma> or unkindly

<kenkogni> We connect researchers/clinicians/social activists in strategic locations, focused on Latin America, Africa, and Southeast Asia\

 <kenkogni> scott, Latin America isn like regular but without haplorrhini

<BarrettBrown> I'm sorry, have a phone call I absolutely have to take, please continue without me for about ten minutes

 <DynamicUno>Carry on Ken, and let us know when you'd like to yield the floor to comments please.

<c0sfreenode> kenkogni: so whats the big goal, what do you tell a reporter looking for a quote/snippit that really explains this to lay people?

<scottNY> kenkogni: Clark and I have emailed with the owner of a website which at quick glance looks more domestic than International but her goals is to be a broker amongst nonprofit organizations highlighting them on an individual basis with the hope of connecting interested persons/organizations.

<scottNY> http://nonprofitawareness.blogspot.com/

<scottNY> You should check it out.

<c0sfreenode> I have a domain that I was going to do something similar with, I have just been to busy

<kenkogni> @cosfreenode: The neolithic demoralisation still rampant in the developing world is not a geographically bound pestilence. Lack of education at the local level (on up) regarding issues like basic perinatal care , AIDs, etc. is the factor preventing most regions from expanding their potential beyond the post-colonial static turmoil

<kenkogni> sorry, had to go push a cat off the window ledge

<kenkogni> I think it was really a squirrel, though

<c0sfreenode> kenkogni: thats perfect

<scottNY> haplorrhini?

<scottNY> kenkogni: I believe you became aware of it through Emma but I have an indirect connection with the owners/operators of lifeformothers.org

<kenkogni> haplorrhini is the linnaean and cladistic designation for T. tarsius, as well as 9 other subspecific, bug-eyed, leapin little squirrel monkeys

<scottNY> above my pay grade

<scottNY> no more squirrel jokes for me

<DynamicUno> lol

<kenkogni> Below my gay parade

<scottNY> punny

<kenkogni> (confess: read yours as "gay parade" 1st)

<scottNY> Freudian eyes I guess

<DynamicUno> Ken - obviously digital infrastructure is a problem in places where First Praxis is likely to be operating. How do you envision translating to a real-world implementation?

<kenkogni> I'd love to connect further with lifeformother

<scottNY> Okay we can exchange further via email.

<scottNY> I'd like to have a better understanding before I reach out

<kenkogni> @scott: thx, Emma will probably want to be cc'd. anyone who wants more info or to berate me on related/unrelated matters, feel free

<kenkogni> I will prepare a more specific operative explanation

<kenkogni> @Dynamic: Do you mean like on the tribe-village level?

<c0sfreenode> Just to toss it out there for thoughts, I own 0v.org, nice short domain (zero v) One of the few 2 character domains. I was going to put up a site named Zero Visibility. With the goal of highlighting non-profits that werent getting enough attention, a new group of 6 each month

<DynamicUno> Generally yes; information-transmission is the critical component, but without the digital tools we take for granted, information transmission is no mean feat

<c0sfreenode> I just dont have the time lately to even think about it.

<kenkogni> I already know that I don't know the answer.

<DynamicUno> That's fair

<scottNY> lol @ kenkogni

<scottNY> DynamicUno: Great question though! :)

<kenkogni> @cosfreenode-willchk

<kenkogni> Dynamo

<c0sfreenode> the site isnt up.

<kenkogni> I will be in Malawi in February in Lilongwe and venturing to villages along the lake and into the bush

<c0sfreenode> ill put the basic demo back up shortly.

<Emma> perhaps we could do csomething with the Ov.org domain ? and yes please CC me in ScottNY

<c0sfreenode> just a thought

<c0sfreenode> its a neat domain and I have it and as of yet am not using it for my idea

<Emma> its a very neat domain

<kenkogni> @DynamicUno: I hope to find atmanageable spoke points for prepaid wireless

<DynamicUno> Hmm that's a thought

<kenkogni> Or rhinos

<kenkogni> I want a rhino

<DynamicUno> Well if you're collecting them please bring one back for me

<DynamicUno> I'd like to see customs try to put that through an x-ray scanner

<Emma> lol

<kenkogni> How silly! How would I ever get TWO rhinos thru customs?

<kenkogni> @Emma: not a word

<Emma> Emma is my name

<kenkogni> It's a very neat domain

<BarrettBrown> okay, I'm back, will review what I missed right quick

<Emma> what can we do with it?

<Emma> too good an opportunity to miss I feel

<DynamicUno> Tangent - Sundeep and Nick, can you two link up (via email or another time on IRC) with Campbell to go over the hosting solutions?

<DynamicUno> Nick I know you have to depart shortly

<DynamicUno> so I'd like to resolve that briefly before we go on

<scottNY> In the interest of a resemblance of structure, I think it would be helpful for all participants if kenkogni wrote up as c0sfreenode put it, a snippet/blurb that explains First Praxis (hopefully as dumb downed for me as possible).

<scottNY> This will allow everyone to come to a conclusion as to the best fit.

<scottNY> Thanks DynamicUno for staying on top of things! You da' man!

<c0sfreenode> yes, light on the 4 syllable words

<DynamicUno> @ScottNY hehe yeah I'm getting the hang of this "organized" thing

<scottNY> It goes without saying that there clearly is a fit btwn PPM and First Praxis.

<Xphox> I am available most days M-F after 7PM EST for chatting, or we can exchange emails 24/7.

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: Have you heard word from any of the programmers you sent the programmer questionnaire to?

<DynamicUno> Scott, we have received one response

<BarrettBrown> Those responses go to Tim

<DynamicUno> Joe Neal

<BarrettBrown> He's received at least one, I know

<BarrettBrown> There you go

<DynamicUno> It was EXTREMELY detailed

<scottNY> DynamicUno, Xphox, lfzr since Campbell's schedule is erratic, it may make sense to pick a set time to talk, IMHO.

 <scottNY>lol

<BarrettBrown> If we need more, I can get more this week

<DynamicUno> He filled out the chart, then wrote a resume lol

<BarrettBrown> lol

<c0sfreenode> BarrettBrown: you know the site curated.by, relatively new site thats got a lot of press attention?

<Emma> this is funny why?

<scottNY> Got to appreciate the attention to detail ;)

<DynamicUno>ScottNY, that's a good idea - Nick, I'm not sure if Sundeep is watching closely right now but I will have him email you

<DynamicUno>Emma - it's not funny, we were laughing at you

<Emma> lol#

<BarrettBrown> yesterday a Phd candidate from Berkley, physicist, tried to send me his resume and offered to get a letter from his doctoral advisor or whatever

<scottNY> lfzr: you around?

<BarrettBrown> I didn't have the heart to tell him I didn't really graduate high school

<lfzr> hey yea doing a bit of multitasking here

<lfzr> lemme read a bit

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: Do you know offhand who/how many people you sent the programmer email to?

<BarrettBrown> It was about six or seven, I think, let me look

<scottNY> lfzr: DynamicUno is going to try to setup a meeting with you guys and Campbell and Xphox (Nick)

<kenkogni> Should I do something to help support the conversation? Punctuate, or something?

<lfzr> yea sounds good

<kenkogni> I'll be subtext:)

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: Would you be opposed to either DynamicUno or I, following-up with those individuals next week simply asking if they've received your email?

<BarrettBrown> it was 11

<BarrettBrown> 11 programmers

<scottNY> oh wow!

<BarrettBrown> not at all, Scott

<Emma> I would

<BarrettBrown> if you're "wowing" the number, remember that not all of these will follow through

<scottNY> Ok, BarrettBrown, if you can email at least one of us the list of people that would help our efforts.

<Emma> I am opposed

<BarrettBrown> but getting more programmers who are dedicated is no problem

<BarrettBrown> okay, I'll forward it to you now, Scott

<redproph1t> I'm sorry to interrupt

<lfzr> we can probably get started on the development side once we get a nice roster finished

<redproph1t> but I haven't had the chance to fill that out

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: I understand, hopefully we won't have to dig into the well, but we never know.

<DynamicUno> Hello Gus, welcome. No problem, we expected a certain amount of delay

<redproph1t> I've been reading while doing work

<scottNY> redproph1t: do you have a copy of the most recent survey/questionnaire?

<redproph1t> I think I filled something out similar ages ago

<DynamicUno> Yes, back when we were in the yes/no format

<Xphox> DynamicUno: As a side thought, if multiple people are willing to host for you, you could technically setup a round-robbin DNS to bounce the load between multiple hosting providers. (Remind me of that when we meet) :P

<BarrettBrown> also, can someone please send me transcript of this entire meeting when we're done so I can forward to Barry Eisler, Robert Green, and my other people?

<DynamicUno> Ok thanks Nick

<BarrettBrown> I don't know how to do it with this wacky IRC client

<scottNY> redproph1t: we've updated the survey to include level of expertise, as this will help us greatly rather than a simply yes/no response

<kenkogni> @all:

<scottNY> Xphox: I like where you're going with this!

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: Has Campbell give you singingsite access?

<kenkogni> lovely to meet, will send that snippet this evening before bed

<redproph1t> honestly, a good programmer will be able to pick up whatever is used

<c0sfreenode> Emma: since you seemed interested 0v.org is up

<scottNY> thanks kenkogni!

<Emma> thank you I am

<c0sfreenode> Emma: http://0v.org/

<c0sfreenode> that was the idea

<DynamicUno> Thanks Ken, have a good night

<scottNY> redproph1t: I'm not knowledgeable enough about programming to comment, but I imagine some people may be more experts in certain fields than others, but WTFDIK.

<scottNY> goodnight kenkogni

<Emma> c0sfreenode I love it

<BarrettBrown> Ken, you out?

<BarrettBrown> Let's try to chat tomorrow

<kenkogni> goodnight, i apologise for my poor mobility in this medium

<kenkogni> @BarrettBrown: no, but now reading

<BarrettBrown> Takes getting used to, you did fine

<kenkogni> Take it away, will plat ctxt clues game

<BarrettBrown> One, two, three, four, I declare a cyberwar

<c0sfreenode> Emma: that was the idea. just no time to actually get it going, so much other stuff keeps coming up

<scottNY> sneak attack

<c0sfreenode> I have a friend whose brother is actually on the security team at paypal

<scottNY> ok so we got kenkogni providing a snippet soon, Tim is going to setup meeting about hosting, Tim and I will follow-up with programmers

<c0sfreenode> he got word to me that they brought in 2 different outside security companies today

<Emma> I love the idea of highlighting lesser known non profits

<c0sfreenode> to help beef things up

<DynamicUno> Alright, Nick Xphox, you can go ahead and eat now that your shift is done, Sundeep lfzr I am sending out an email now between you two to organize a meeting, preferably with Campbell as well

<c0sfreenode> Emma: but if we could use the domain for something related to this project I would be up for that

<Emma> ha this cyber attacking is just fantatsic

<lfzr> sounds good DynamicUno :)

<c0sfreenode> as I think it might be about another year before I could really focus on something like that project idea thats up right now

 <scottNY>ok not to digress, but BarrettBrown do you want to talk about the probationary period, or wait for Campbell's input as well?

<BarrettBrown> Oh, yeah, lets

<BarrettBrown> Tell me a bit about the purpose again, just so everyone will know

<scottNY> lfzr: Are you here for feedback as well?

<scottNY> The goal is to enact another tool to ensure quality

<Emma> cOsfreenode my email emilieduchatelet8@gmail.com - I would like to do something with it

<lfzr> don't want to spam but this is from campbell's reply

<lfzr> Sundeep and I had discussed a probationary period, wherein your inviting blogger's reputation score would reflect the quality of the invitee's posts. We considered this to be a very powerful way to ensure that quality begets quality. People on probation don't necessarily see any disadvantage in this situation, so I don't understand how this could be a disincentive to join.

<scottNY> The means is to have individuals invited to PPM to be endorsed by their invitor for a period of time such that the person doing the inviting is affected by the works of the invited person.

<lfzr> yea so the invitor is responsible for who they invite

<scottNY> lol @ lfzr copying and pasting

<BarrettBrown> okay, put that way, this sounds a lot better than it did originally

<BarrettBrown> Go ahead and keep it in, then

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: the person is relived from this probationary period once they've achieved certain quality metrics i.e. well received

<BarrettBrown> Okay

<scottNY> ok

<DynamicUno> That sounds reasonable

<BarrettBrown> If you and Campbell and everyone will be meeting, let me know so I can join if I have time

<DynamicUno> The metrics will be fairly arbitrary, no way around that

<DynamicUno> but thta's ok

<lfzr> true

* Xphox waves - Tim I'll be waiting for your email, or call/txt/PR me if a rush.

<BarrettBrown> Thanks for joining us, Nick

<BarrettBrown> And for all your help

<Xphox> No problem BarrettBrown

<DynamicUno> Sounds good Nick, thanks, I'm sending the email out now

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<scottNY> DynamicUno: We're trying to come up with an array of metrics, we figure let's collect as much info as possible and adjust accordingly.

<DynamicUno> That sounds good. We can adjust on the fly I'm sure

<c0sfreenode> Do you have a list of any example metrics?

<c0sfreenode> word count? total views? unique views? rating with a star system?

<DynamicUno> Alright, Sundeep I am sending out an email to you, Nick, and Campbell re: hosting, you can just hit reply all to carry on the conversation

<DynamicUno> Number of pushes I imagine

<scottNY> c0sfreenode: we've decided not to include views

<c0sfreenode> just thinking from a security/gaming standpoint

<lfzr> # of pushes to number of submitted articles

<scottNY> DynamicUno: correct, but number of pushes as it relates to number of posts

<scottNY> plus time weighted

<lfzr> yes

<c0sfreenode> always have to make sure that the metrics for that arent "game-able"

<DynamicUno> Right

<BarrettBrown> Gregg, also, DynamicUno = Tim Ellis, who as I mentioned is taking over Sean's work

<c0sfreenode> ahh

<scottNY> c0sfreenode: feedback on current metrics would be appreciated. Although we try to think of these things, I can't speak for anyone else but this is my first time concocting such a system.

<scottNY> another metric is penetration (hold your laughs

<lfzr> im not so sure that the probation period is effective at stopping spam

<scottNY> which measures how deep a single post goes in terms of levels

<c0sfreenode> we tried to come up with some stuff in the past with other anon projects, nothing that ever ended up live, but I remember the lengthy discussions we had

<lfzr> ex. blogger A invites spammer B

<lfzr> spammer B gets out of the probationary period

<lfzr> by submitting good posts bla bla

<scottNY> lfzr: there certainly will be a biases associated with it, but I still feel it's a smart idea to prevent consequences of poor decision making

<lfzr> so then spammer B invites his friend spammer C

<scottNY> lfzr: no arguments here

<scottNY> it's one of many tools

<lfzr> spammer C can now spam all they want, as spammer B doesn't really care about endorsing spammer C's posts

 <lfzr>hmm

<lfzr> ok

<BarrettBrown> Oh, Gregg, let me give you links regarding the schematic in general

<BarrettBrown> http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2010/12/02/the-project-pm-schematic/

<c0sfreenode> yeah

<BarrettBrown> That link should do it, actually

<lfzr> there has to definetly be some manual checking of accounts

<lfzr> i guess thats up to the admins/mods

<c0sfreenode> ok

<scottNY> lfzr: BarrettBrown something that I don't remember if we did/didn't discuss is controlling one's ability to invite people based on quality metrics

<BarrettBrown> includes link to our new wiki, which currently has a written account of the schematic

<c0sfreenode> ill catch up on that

<BarrettBrown> Scott - that's something we need to talk about soon

<scottNY> lfzr: we're going to utilize a moderation system similar to karma that Campbell has referred to in the past

 <lfzr>BarrettBrown, want to point the domain to the wiki for now and we can point it to the actual site later?

<DynamicUno>Barrett, I'm afraid that link is broken

<lfzr> lfzr: yea reddit's system is quite intuitive

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: DynamicUno is setting up a meeting with you guys and Sundeep, Campbell and Nick to discuss hosting solutions. Do you want to add to that meeting or create a new one?

<lfzr> *i mean scottNY

<lfzr> i highlighted myself lol

<scottNY> I imagine a new, different meeting may be preferable.

<c0sfreenode> yeah BarrettBrown, 404

<DynamicUno> I think you're right scott, a second meeting will be bettetr

<BarrettBrown> try it again, The League is undergoing renovations

<BarrettBrown> this happened with other posts earlioer

<c0sfreenode> same

<scottNY> DynamicUno: have you already sent out that email?

<BarrettBrown> okay, one sec

<BarrettBrown> link to video presentation I made the other day

<BarrettBrown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl88VHg_UA&feature=player_embedded

<DynamicUno>Not yet, I can still modify ti

<BarrettBrown> link to written version

<Emma> try the link - I think its working now

<BarrettBrown> http://projectpm.thepdl.co.cc/index.php/Main_Page

<BarrettBrown> yeah, ordinary gentlemen link should be back up

<lfzr> scottNY: i think invites should be limited and be handed out manually at start, we can setup and tweak automated systems as needed later on

<lfzr> what do you think?

<scottNY> lfzr: I think that's a good idea, but we should try to think of some sort of system to start with, rather than introducing later on.

<lfzr> true

<scottNY> We simply can ignore the system in the beginning if we don't like it which will allow us to properly tweak it.

 <BarrettBrown>yeah, none of this is set in stone even after networks go live

<scottNY> DynamicUno: You think you can include the second meeting (it may make sense to ask people for four times that they're available)

<DynamicUno>I can do that - just so I'm clear, I'm asking for a second meeting (or really a first one, since the hosting I feel can be handled via email alone) regarding the initial probationary period

<DynamicUno> and moderation/karma system

<DynamicUno> Yes?

<lfzr> in terms of the gathering of stats, we'll probably need a whole meeting to discuss what kinds of things should be recorded, privacy concerns etc.

<lfzr> yes

<DynamicUno> Ok

<lfzr> can you add stats to that?

<scottNY> DynamicUno: If the hosting problem can be solved through email, then yes meeting not necessary.

<Emma> I think I need to be flown out to the States

<DynamicUno> ScottNY - I think I may simply send out two emails so that the two topics dont' get conjoined in the hosting email chain

<scottNY> DynamicUno: as you and lfzr said we need a meeting to primarily discuss privacy and how inviting is going to work.

<lfzr> yea hosting should probably be separate

<scottNY> DynamicUno: I think we've sorted out the probationary period issue.

<DynamicUno> Ok

<lfzr> i doubt any of you want to be bored with that stuff

<BarrettBrown> anyone here in New York and want to go to John Penley's house party on the 18th?

<DynamicUno> Privacy and invitation, and statistics

<scottNY> DynamicUno: Two emails are fine.

<BarrettBrown> He invited me but I'm in Dallas now

<scottNY> lfzr: We'll it would be super cool if we could do load balancing ;)

<DynamicUno>Barrett, I'm throwing a party on December 18th in Toronto

<DynamicUno>Busy day it seems

<scottNY> John would be?

<lfzr> scottNY, im not sure if we'll need any of that for some time, but yes that would be slick :)

<BarrettBrown> God, I'd love to go to one of your parties

<BarrettBrown> John Penley is a longtime activist of the old-school sort who introduced me to Patty Smith and Bob Geldof a while back

 <BarrettBrown>Interested in PM but I don't want him associated with it

<DynamicUno>I'll leave hosting for Nick, Sundeep, Campbell and myself as moderator, and include Sundeep, Campbell, Barrett, and Scott with the meeting re: invites etc

<scottNY> Sounds good :)

<DynamicUno>Barrett, you'll catch one of our shows I'm sure

<DynamicUno>I'm in periodic talks with a Texas based group, I may play down there sometime

<lfzr> sounds good Tim :)

<Emma> lets all go

<scottNY> This is a Google image that came up when i Googled John Penley: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_10t1glapeaw/SX2Y4stkTjI/AAAAAAAAHi0/-JzDEuHNWO0/s400/L1000387.jpg&imgrefurl=http://neithermorenorless.blogspot.com/2009/01/birthday-number-76-for-ray-big-party.html&h=291&w=400&sz=32&tbnid=T-nqYsLzh5Lh6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BPenley&zoom=1&q=John+Penle

<scottNY> y&usg=__uyLeHj1HdcfEBJLLxfbseUeX7Cc=&sa=X&ei=PS8ATeK1OMSp8AaV0KTNBw&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBA

<scottNY> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_10t1glapeaw/SX2Y4stkTjI/AAAAAAAAHi0/-JzDEuHNWO0/s400/L1000387.jpg&imgrefurl=http://neithermorenorless.blogspot.com/2009/01/birthday-number-76-for-ray-big-party.html&h=291&w=400&sz=32&tbnid=T-nqYsLzh5Lh6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BPenley&zoom=1&q=John+Penley&usg=__uyLeHj1HdcfEBJLLxfbseUeX7Cc=&sa=X&ei=PS8ATeK1OMSp8AaV0KT

<scottNY> NBw&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBA

<scottNY> damnnit

<scottNY> http://tinyurl.com/28tmwyd

 <lfzr>lmao

<DynamicUno>lol

<scottNY> The blog is from NYC

<BarrettBrown> Penley is somewhat above Neil on the douche-o-meter

<BarrettBrown> Neal?

<projectpmbot> Neal is the guy who gets all the chicks

<DynamicUno> lol

<BarrettBrown> Love that fucking robot

<scottNY> When I first started using IRC, I thought projectpmbot was Neal

<scottNY> I was wrong.

<BarrettBrown> ProjectPMbot: Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.

<projectpmbot> BarrettBrown: Okay.

<BarrettBrown> Gregg?

<projectpmbot> Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.

<Emma> #

<BarrettBrown> Can't wait till he sees that

<DynamicUno> lolol fantastic

<BarrettBrown> For those who don't know, Gregg faced criminal charges by the Church of Scientology which were eventually resolved

 <c0sfreenode>nice

<BarrettBrown> damn, didn't know you were paying attention

<BarrettBrown> Gregg?

<projectpmbot> Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.

<BarrettBrown> Gregg?

<c0sfreenode> I spent 7 months in court against them

<projectpmbot> Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.

<BarrettBrown> Gregg?

<projectpmbot> Gregg is a level seven operating Thetan.

<BarrettBrown> lolololol

<BarrettBrown> jajajajajajaja

<c0sfreenode> other people got scared and made deals

<c0sfreenode> i ran it out until they realized it wasnt happening

<BarrettBrown> well done

<c0sfreenode> thank you

<scottNY> BarrettBrown: PPM have any really good tax guys?

* c0sfreenode is not a good tax guy

<BarrettBrown> Also, Gregg, we obviously have a lot of other materials and I'll share those with you soon but will wait for your current round of media hassling to end

<BarrettBrown> Scott: Let me think

<c0sfreenode> yeah, the next few days are already filled up

<BarrettBrown> If not, I can get a good tax guy

<BarrettBrown> You got CNN tomorrow, Gregg?

<BarrettBrown> Oh, hey, can someone go ahead and send me the transcript of this meeting thus far?

<BarrettBrown> Gregg, just so you know, these meetings are not public and are only seen by a few other people like Barry Eisler and Robert Green


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