Re: I mentioned DF in an article
Subject: Re: I mentioned DF in an article
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 11/13/10, 19:02
To: Tarn Adams <tarn.adams@gmail.com>

I think you've vastly over-estimated the extent to which people are trying to avoid the presence of ghosts. We've already figured out that ghosts who died happy can come back and organize parties and now people are trying to figure out if a ghost could be elected mayor.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Tarn Adams <tarn.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
He he he.  I guess you'll have to try to keep every single one of them
alive now.  Then you'd only have to worry about them memorializing a
historical death, which is bound to be more heroic anyway.

Tarn

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
> God damnit.
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I must have misread something regarding supply and demand being in
>> next release. But meanwhile I've been reading your accounts of the new
>> adventure mode; the last one in particular is particularly exciting.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Tarn Adams <tarn.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The upcoming release is just basic adventure mode stuff.  We should be
>>> at the stage of a sort of simple fantasy RPG with some half-formed
>>> interesting elements at that point.  The month of November is going to
>>> be about site resources and the "Caravan Arc", which is basically
>>> supply and demand and merchants traveling around on the world map.
>>> It'll start in world gen and yeah...  I'm worried the first impact
>>> will be massive chaotic famines until I get the systems under control
>>> in one way or another.  It should be cool though.  Right now you can
>>> set a pocket world to generate for 10,000 years and it won't change at
>>> all once the settlements are in place.
>>>
>>> Tarn
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Also, is this thing where the world's trade is actually tied to
>>> > available
>>> > resources and production going to be implemented in the upcoming
>>> > release?
>>> > And is that process going to be taken into account during worldgen? At
>>> > any
>>> > rate, I'm excited to see that feature on the horizon; that's really
>>> > going to
>>> > add a lot to the dynamics and I really look forward to seeing what
>>> > phenomena
>>> > arise from it.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> No need to apologize at all; I've been enjoying the fruits of your
>>> >> labor.
>>> >> I'll send you something more in the line of a quick overview some
>>> >> point
>>> >> soon.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Tarn Adams <tarn.adams@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> He he he, that's awesome.  I've seen the calculators (pull levers, it
>>> >>> adds for you), and the digital counter with the seven segment
>>> >>> display,
>>> >>> but I hadn't see Life in DF before.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tarn
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> > I've been playing DF for the first time in a while so was reading
>>> >>> > the
>>> >>> > forums
>>> >>> > and ran across this and wanted to make sure you are aware of
>>> >>> > it: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69307.0
>>> >>> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Barrett Brown
>>> >>> > <barriticus@gmail.com>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Give LCS another play some time; it's fun, but also feels like
>>> >>> >> work,
>>> >>> >> just
>>> >>> >> like DF. Disciplines the mind, I suspect.
>>> >>> >> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you; we've had a number of
>>> >>> >> unexpected successes in the last two weeks that have required my
>>> >>> >> attention.
>>> >>> >> Regarding Project PM, I have pasted a more concise explanation of
>>> >>> >> how
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> media network will work below; remember that we are also building
>>> >>> >> up a
>>> >>> >> governing network to further advance our technocratic agenda, thus
>>> >>> >> far
>>> >>> >> composed of about 120 people, most recently the head of
>>> >>> >> theoretical
>>> >>> >> physics
>>> >>> >> at Case Western.
>>> >>> >> Meanwhile, we are now being offered funding. A  lot of funding. I
>>> >>> >> had
>>> >>> >> originally intended on doing this with no money whatsoever, but
>>> >>> >> anyway
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> funding is meant for something else that I will be put in partial
>>> >>> >> charge of
>>> >>> >> and which I will explain to you further when I have more info.
>>> >>> >> Again,
>>> >>> >> very
>>> >>> >> preliminary. Whether or not this particular source of funding
>>> >>> >> comes
>>> >>> >> through
>>> >>> >> - and I think it will - I will be receiving something on the order
>>> >>> >> of
>>> >>> >> a
>>> >>> >> quarter million dollars from another source  probably within a
>>> >>> >> year,
>>> >>> >> in
>>> >>> >> which case I would be inclined to purchase a portion of your time
>>> >>> >> to
>>> >>> >> help us
>>> >>> >> solve certain problems that I am inclined to believe that you are
>>> >>> >> equipped
>>> >>> >> to solve.
>>> >>> >> I apologize for being cryptic at the moment, but things are more
>>> >>> >> fun
>>> >>> >> that
>>> >>> >> way. At any rate, here is the basic schematic; feel free to call
>>> >>> >> or
>>> >>> >> write
>>> >>> >> with any questions.
>>> >>> >> ***
>>> >>> >> Information flow is fundamental to the success of every manner of
>>> >>> >> human
>>> >>> >> collaboration. Nonetheless, the processes by which information is
>>> >>> >> gathered,
>>> >>> >> handled, transferred, and acted upon receive far less attention
>>> >>> >> than
>>> >>> >> is
>>> >>> >> warranted. The purpose of Project PM is to change this dynamic by
>>> >>> >> developing
>>> >>> >> new techniques with which to more efficiently conduct information.
>>> >>> >> Because the great preponderance of information crucial to the
>>> >>> >> success
>>> >>> >> of a
>>> >>> >> representative government is transferred through the media,
>>> >>> >> Project PM
>>> >>> >> focuses primarily on media reform. Our first and foremost effort
>>> >>> >> has
>>> >>> >> been to
>>> >>> >> establish a distributed media cartel made up of bloggers as well
>>> >>> >> as
>>> >>> >> journalists who work at least in part through online media. Rather
>>> >>> >> than
>>> >>> >> simply assembling this group of exceptional media professionals
>>> >>> >> into
>>> >>> >> an
>>> >>> >> online outlet similar to those currently in existence, we are
>>> >>> >> instead
>>> >>> >> organizing our participants into a network which itself operates
>>> >>> >> under
>>> >>> >> a
>>> >>> >> unique schematic designed to take best advantage of the internet
>>> >>> >> as a
>>> >>> >> medium
>>> >>> >> while simultaneously avoiding the drawbacks common to even the
>>> >>> >> best
>>> >>> >> online
>>> >>> >> communities.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> In order to seed the network, we have recruited around two dozen
>>> >>> >> bloggers
>>> >>> >> and journalists whom we have identified as particularly competent
>>> >>> >> and
>>> >>> >> intellectually honest. Each of these individuals is encouraged to
>>> >>> >> bring
>>> >>> >> other bloggers into the network based on their own judgment; these
>>> >>> >> new
>>> >>> >> participants are then connected to the blogger who has brought
>>> >>> >> them in
>>> >>> >> and
>>> >>> >> may likewise bring others into the network,and so on . As such,
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> network
>>> >>> >> grows perpetually while maintaining a high average quality in
>>> >>> >> terms of
>>> >>> >> its
>>> >>> >> participants, as is explained further below.
>>> >>> >> Upon the launch of our network, each of the initial bloggers will
>>> >>> >> be
>>> >>> >> connected to each other via a widget which is embedded on their
>>> >>> >> respective
>>> >>> >> blogs, as well as connected to those whom they’ve recruited. When
>>> >>> >> a
>>> >>> >> particular individual composes a piece of work that he considers
>>> >>> >> to be
>>> >>> >> of
>>> >>> >> particular merit, the individual pushes a single button which
>>> >>> >> causes
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> article in question to be sent to all of the bloggers to whom he
>>> >>> >> is
>>> >>> >> connected. Each of those bloggers in turn then decides whether or
>>> >>> >> not
>>> >>> >> they
>>> >>> >> agree that the article is worthy of greater attention; if so, they
>>> >>> >> push the
>>> >>> >> button and thereby send it along to every blogger to whom they
>>> >>> >> themselves
>>> >>> >> are connected. Thus it is that information deemed worthy of
>>> >>> >> attention
>>> >>> >> by
>>> >>> >> some great number of erudite and honest individuals from a variety
>>> >>> >> of
>>> >>> >> backgrounds will tend to perpetuate through the system and gain a
>>> >>> >> larger
>>> >>> >> audience than they might otherwise receive.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> As the network expands by way of the process described above, it
>>> >>> >> is
>>> >>> >> inevitable that there will be failures of judgement on the part of
>>> >>> >> participants when choosing additional bloggers to bring into the
>>> >>> >> network.
>>> >>> >> Let us say that Blogger X, who is rather competent, brings in
>>> >>> >> Blogger
>>> >>> >> Y, who
>>> >>> >> is only moderately so, and who in turn brings in Blogger Z, who is
>>> >>> >> a
>>> >>> >> giant
>>> >>> >> douchebag. Blogger Z begins composing and pushing forward posts to
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> effect that Barack Obama was born in Tehran or that ethanol
>>> >>> >> subsidies
>>> >>> >> are
>>> >>> >> awesome or some such thing – but these posts only initially go to
>>> >>> >> Blogger Y
>>> >>> >> and whatever horrid bloggers Blogger Z has brought in himself,
>>> >>> >> assuming he
>>> >>> >> has brough in any. Blogger Y may or may not be inclined to push
>>> >>> >> forward
>>> >>> >> these nonsense posts, but Blogger X will almost certainly delete
>>> >>> >> them
>>> >>> >> immediately and is quite likely to disolve his connection to
>>> >>> >> Blogger Y
>>> >>> >> for
>>> >>> >> displaying such poor judgement. Thus it is that the system is
>>> >>> >> defended
>>> >>> >> from
>>> >>> >> deterioration by the high competence of the initial round of
>>> >>> >> bloggers
>>> >>> >> and
>>> >>> >> consequently comparable competence of those brought in gradually
>>> >>> >> afterwards,
>>> >>> >> coupled with the nature of the schematic itself. No supervision is
>>> >>> >> necessary
>>> >>> >> for the network to expand while maintaining a high level of
>>> >>> >> quality.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> A few other characteristics bear noting. Any participant may
>>> >>> >> connect
>>> >>> >> to
>>> >>> >> any other participant who agrees to the connection, no matter
>>> >>> >> “where”
>>> >>> >> each
>>> >>> >> participant resides in the network, and thus the network is likely
>>> >>> >> to
>>> >>> >> evolve
>>> >>> >> from the shape of a pyramid to that of a web, which is
>>> >>> >> advantageous in
>>> >>> >> terms
>>> >>> >> of ensuring that good information does not become overly
>>> >>> >> “regionalized.” All
>>> >>> >> participants are equal regardless of the order in which they
>>> >>> >> joined.
>>> >>> >> Participants are free to bring on as many other bloggers as they
>>> >>> >> would
>>> >>> >> like,
>>> >>> >> although they will find that it is to their own advantage to be
>>> >>> >> selective in
>>> >>> >> this regard.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> The system is capped off with another widget distinct from that
>>> >>> >> used
>>> >>> >> by
>>> >>> >> the bloggers – the reader widget, a downloadable application which
>>> >>> >> displays
>>> >>> >> those posts which have been pushed forward a certain number of
>>> >>> >> times
>>> >>> >> (as set
>>> >>> >> by the individual reader). The end result should be the best
>>> >>> >> system of
>>> >>> >> news
>>> >>> >> and information filtration that has ever existed.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Tarn Adams <tarn.adams@gmail.com>
>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > Thanks again for taking the time to respond to these questions.
>>> >>> >>> > For
>>> >>> >>> > some
>>> >>> >>> > reason I can't get a response back from the gaming mags to save
>>> >>> >>> > my
>>> >>> >>> > life
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I'm not sure you'll do well in mainstream American print gaming
>>> >>> >>> mags.
>>> >>> >>> We've pretty much never made it into them (maybe once?), though
>>> >>> >>> we do
>>> >>> >>> well elsewhere and online.  I'm not sure if it has to do with the
>>> >>> >>> close links between content and ads and so on, or what, since I
>>> >>> >>> only
>>> >>> >>> hear the occasional story from the periphery about how it works.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > Also, I mentioned to you my eccentric project a while back,
>>> >>> >>> > Project
>>> >>> >>> > PM.
>>> >>> >>> > I
>>> >>> >>> > don't know how closely you follow these things, but my friend
>>> >>> >>> > and
>>> >>> >>> > project
>>> >>> >>> > participant Michael Hastings seems to have just fucked up all
>>> >>> >>> > kinds
>>> >>> >>> > of
>>> >>> >>> > shit
>>> >>> >>> > with his new Rolling Stone piece on McChrystal, who's now been
>>> >>> >>> > summoned
>>> >>> >>> > to
>>> >>> >>> > Washington.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I first read that on HP and then heard a telephone
>>> >>> >>> interview
>>> >>> >>> with him on Rachel Maddow, and of course it has been ongoing
>>> >>> >>> after
>>> >>> >>> that.  It seems like a pretty intense scoop, and that he really
>>> >>> >>> just
>>> >>> >>> needed to let the guy keep talking.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > He also blurbed my book and I'm doing a piece on the background
>>> >>> >>> > to all this for Vanity Fair today, so we're going to be in a
>>> >>> >>> > much
>>> >>> >>> > better
>>> >>> >>> > position to act on our agenda pretty soon with the additional
>>> >>> >>> > notoriety. If
>>> >>> >>> > you're still interested in discussing our project further at
>>> >>> >>> > some
>>> >>> >>> > point, let
>>> >>> >>> > me know
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I read the Africa page a few weeks ago and the last long email
>>> >>> >>> you
>>> >>> >>> wrote and had been trying to find time to think and reply
>>> >>> >>> intelligently, but it has been difficult.  I think that since I'm
>>> >>> >>> not
>>> >>> >>> involved at a practical level with this sort of activity I'd be
>>> >>> >>> sort
>>> >>> >>> of wasting your time asking for basic explanations when you are
>>> >>> >>> going
>>> >>> >>> to be way ahead of me on things.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> As I understand it, the network would need to be decentralized,
>>> >>> >>> so
>>> >>> >>> that people that were interested in, say, cooking or sports,
>>> >>> >>> wouldn't
>>> >>> >>> be able to co-opt any shared resources once they got in on the
>>> >>> >>> edges
>>> >>> >>> and started linking in all their friends and pushing recipes or
>>> >>> >>> match
>>> >>> >>> write-ups down the line. When you said the widget shows items
>>> >>> >>> that
>>> >>> >>> have been "pushed forward a certain number of times" it made me
>>> >>> >>> think
>>> >>> >>> there was some more centralized counting going on, so that the
>>> >>> >>> top
>>> >>> >>> pushed items became more universally available without having to
>>> >>> >>> make
>>> >>> >>> the entire journey from one person to another.  At that point,
>>> >>> >>> you'd
>>> >>> >>> need to account for side networks latching on that outgrow the
>>> >>> >>> original (including a competing sub-network of the left-out
>>> >>> >>> conservative bloggers, once one gets linked in on the fringe) --
>>> >>> >>> something that I imagine would be a danger if you are trying to
>>> >>> >>> write
>>> >>> >>> a novel, high-quality system for passing around important news
>>> >>> >>> (which
>>> >>> >>> isn't going to be limited to political news once you have
>>> >>> >>> irrelevant
>>> >>> >>> contributors).  I'm behind on Facebook and tweets and that kind
>>> >>> >>> of
>>> >>> >>> thing, so I suppose the ways around this might be obvious to
>>> >>> >>> people
>>> >>> >>> that are with the times, he he he.  That's my paranoid first
>>> >>> >>> reaction,
>>> >>> >>> anyway, based on the experience of my forum getting a little
>>> >>> >>> gummed
>>> >>> >>> up.  Maybe if the blogger network were named something that
>>> >>> >>> somebody
>>> >>> >>> thinking about cooking or sports didn't want to see every time
>>> >>> >>> they
>>> >>> >>> open up the widget, he he he.  Starting with a dozen people, this
>>> >>> >>> obviously isn't going to be a problem right away, but if the
>>> >>> >>> registration/linking system is uncontrolled, you'll eventually
>>> >>> >>> get
>>> >>> >>> whoever linked or whatever pushed and any mechanism not
>>> >>> >>> respecting
>>> >>> >>> the
>>> >>> >>> locality of the direct links could become troubled.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> If it doesn't have shared resources though, and whatever side
>>> >>> >>> networks
>>> >>> >>> that form are just living off by themselves and not jamming up
>>> >>> >>> the
>>> >>> >>> network, then the overall concept would need to distinguish
>>> >>> >>> itself
>>> >>> >>> from email buddy lists -- I guess it might be enough to emulate
>>> >>> >>> buddy
>>> >>> >>> lists with more purpose and more conveniently to achieve the
>>> >>> >>> project
>>> >>> >>> goals of getting information passed around quickly, but in a
>>> >>> >>> completely decentralized system I'm not seeing the crucial
>>> >>> >>> difference
>>> >>> >>> and it makes me feel like I'm misunderstanding something about
>>> >>> >>> how it
>>> >>> >>> works, unless the project is more about getting these kinds of
>>> >>> >>> themed
>>> >>> >>> buddy lists organized in some standardized and easy to use way.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > Anyway, I suck at that game. [LCS]
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I only spent a few month-long sessions with it separated by
>>> >>> >>> periods of inactivity, if I remember, so it never really gelled
>>> >>> >>> as a
>>> >>> >>> balanced game.  The continuing fan-written LCS is probably more
>>> >>> >>> winnable without cheap tactics, but it's my understanding that
>>> >>> >>> it's
>>> >>> >>> more "gamey" in a way, so I can't really say how it plays or
>>> >>> >>> anything
>>> >>> >>> about the atmosphere.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Tarn
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> --
>>> >>> >> Regards,
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Barrett Brown
>>> >>> >> 512-560-2302
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > Regards,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Barrett Brown
>>> >>> > 512-560-2302
>>> >>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Barrett Brown
>>> >> 512-560-2302
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Barrett Brown
>>> > 512-560-2302
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Barrett Brown
>> 512-560-2302
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Barrett Brown
> 512-560-2302
>



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Regards,

Barrett Brown
512-560-2302