On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh certainly. I'm on very good terms with Helen. It was all very much
> tongue-in-cheek.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Mark Thompson <
mwthompson88@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, the "spat" with Helen was, as far as I know, almost entirely
>> tongue-in-cheek.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "
matthewschmitz@gmail.com" <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com>
>> To: Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Mark Thompson <
mwthompson88@yahoo.com>; Will Collins
>> <
williamf.collins@gmail.com>; Jason Kuznicki <
JKuznicki@cato.org>; Barrett
>> Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>; David Schaengold <
david.schaengold@gmail.com>;
>> Scott H. Payne <
scott.h.payne@gmail.com>; Rufus F. <
rufus138@gmail.com>; Ned
>> Resnikoff <
nedresnikoff@gmail.com>; "
lisakramer1979@aol.com"
>> <
lisakramer1979@aol.com>; "
Davidaruggiero1973@gmail.com"
>> <
Davidaruggiero1973@gmail.com>; "
awhaleyb@gmail.com" <
awhaleyb@gmail.com>;
>> "
williamrandolphbrafford@gmail.com" <
williamrandolphbrafford@gmail.com>;
>> Logan Wall <
jlwall88@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:02:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: A delicate question
>>
>> If only we were more a more prominent site, we'd have Sullivan and others
>> making wild conjectures and demanding explanations for Helen's vast and
>> undisclosed influence on the site. Hilarious considering our old spat with
>> her.
>>
>> Also, uh, sorry to drag you into this, Rufus.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In other words, there is no coordinated effort to do anything. I took
>>> down my post independently of any decision to remove the second post.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I definitely wouldn't have cut the second post entirely - it was my
>>>> understanding that there was simply a comment in the thread that was perhaps
>>>> over the line? I don't know as I did not read the comment thread. I deleted
>>>> my Helen post pretty quickly after it was written, and at the request of
>>>> Helen's friend Dara Lind who was trying to minimize damage to Helen's
>>>> career. Because I consider Dara to be a friend, I did gladly since it had
>>>> only been up a short time. The second post had been up quite a while...I
>>>> think it would have been okay to leave it up. Just my two cents.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Mark Thompson <
mwthompson88@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I second Will.
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Will Collins <
williamf.collins@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Jason Kuznicki <
JKuznicki@cato.org>
>>>>> Cc: "
matthewschmitz@gmail.com" <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com>; Erik Kain
>>>>> <
erik.kain@gmail.com>; Barrett Brown <
barriticus@gmail.com>; David
>>>>> Schaengold <
david.schaengold@gmail.com>; Scott H. Payne
>>>>> <
scott.h.payne@gmail.com>; Mark Thompson <
mwthompson88@yahoo.com>; Rufus F.
>>>>> <
rufus138@gmail.com>; Ned Resnikoff <
nedresnikoff@gmail.com>;
>>>>> "
lisakramer1979@aol.com" <
lisakramer1979@aol.com>;
>>>>> "
Davidaruggiero1973@gmail.com" <
Davidaruggiero1973@gmail.com>;
>>>>> "
awhaleyb@gmail.com" <
awhaleyb@gmail.com>;
>>>>> "
williamrandolphbrafford@gmail.com" <
williamrandolphbrafford@gmail.com>;
>>>>> Logan Wall <
jlwall88@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 9:54:06 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: A delicate question
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a believer in comity, but two posts have just flat-out disappeared
>>>>> from the site in recent days. Can we stop doing that? For future reference,
>>>>> I'd prefer to delete the offending comments or add a note walking back any
>>>>> wrong-headed claims with the original post preserved below the fold.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Will
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Jason Kuznicki <
JKuznicki@cato.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough. Let us be gentlemen even to those who court
>>>>>> ungentlemanly behavior. Perhaps it will piss them off even more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From:
matthewschmitz@gmail.com [mailto:
matthewschmitz@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:12 AM
>>>>>> To: Jason Kuznicki
>>>>>> Cc: Erik Kain; Barrett Brown; David Schaengold; Scott H. Payne; Mark
>>>>>> Thompson; Rufus F.; Ned Resnikoff; Will Collins;
lisakramer1979@aol.com;
>>>>>>
Davidaruggiero1973@gmail.com;
awhaleyb@gmail.com;
>>>>>>
williamrandolphbrafford@gmail.com; Logan Wall
>>>>>> Subject: Re: A delicate question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Jason,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the relevant email thread for context. Like I said to Rufus, I
>>>>>> really didn't desire to censor anything or step on anyone's toes. So
>>>>>> apologies if that's what ended up happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -MJS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I see where that post goes against the aim at gentlemanly
>>>>>> behavior. It's gone. Not a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:05 AM, <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry again if this was out of line. I really don't mean to set myself
>>>>>> up as hall monitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Rufus F. <
rufus138@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. Why not? I'll kill it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:49 PM, <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rufus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I by no means to step on a co-blogger's toes. So please forgive what
>>>>>> follows if I'm out of line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think it might be worth deleting at least that one comment that
>>>>>> could be read as indirectly musing on Ms. Rittelmeyer's sex life? I fear
>>>>>> we're playing into the hands of Mr. Seavey. I've never met Helen or him, and
>>>>>> I'm not trying to make a chivalric gesture. But I thought you might want to
>>>>>> see that her friend had already reached out to Erik, an indication that this
>>>>>> situation is bringing a kind of scrutiny that is unwelcome even to a girl as
>>>>>> thick-skinned as Helen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts? (Again, sorry...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>> To:
matthewschmitz@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 AM, <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good. I have to say that I really respect Helen's calm
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Erik Kain <
erik.kain@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dara Lind asked me to kill it, to let the story on Helen die out of
>>>>>> respect for her - which I gladly did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 PM, <
matthewschmitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems your post on Helen disappeared. Any reason or is it a glitch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -MS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rufus F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rufus F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jason Kuznicki <
JKuznicki@cato.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we deliberately pulling punches on the Helen Rittlemeyer thingy?
>>>>>> I know the thread didnt bring out my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kindest or most gentlemanly instincts. But I did think that some of
>>>>>> the points it raised were valuable, including (if I may say so) the idea
>>>>>> that creating extra suffering was satanic rather than Christian. The Fall
>>>>>> being bad enough, as Im given to understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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