| Subject: Chat with Scott, dynamicuno@gmail.com, Clark |
| From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> |
In the chat room: Scott Mintz (scott.w.mintz@gmail.com), dynamicuno@gmail.com (dynamicuno@gmail.com)
7:39 PM Scott: You've been invited to this chat room!
Clark has joined
me: howdy
Scott: hey all
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Hello all
Scott: sincerest apologies for the tardiness
Clark: hello all
Scott: barrett, is mano participating today?
me: not sure if Mano will make it tonight, sent him instructions an hour back but haven't heard back from him
7:40 PM Scott: ok, do you want to wait?
me: first off, any further input into the newsletter other than what we've discussed by e-mail?
Clark: not from me
Scott: nothing further
7:41 PM dynamicuno@gmail.com: Not as yet
me: okay, I'll finalize it tonight then
Scott: k
7:42 PM me: Now that we've got the ball rolling in terms of getting some groups together to move on their own
7:43 PM and since we're not going to ask potential weekly meeting participants about using google docs for collaboration on projects
I think it might be good if each of us were to think over the next week about ways in which that could be done
not simply because a better system would allow us to take better advantage of our participants
7:44 PM but also because I imagine that such things would also have applications when it comes time to finalizing the software schematics
7:45 PM as in, it will get us thinking about specific methods of collaboration that will probably translate to whatever we decide on in terms of how any software would work
Scott: That sounds fine with me, although I have no clue what the "ideal" system should be, but I do know what has and hasn't worked for me so far.
7:46 PM dynamicuno@gmail.com: That seems reasonable to me. Our requirements are likely to change frequently anyway, at least at first
So it's going to be an exploratory process
me: yes, that's definitely been the case so far
7:47 PM also, the Africa Project
for which we'll be recruiting in the newsletter
7:48 PM I still obviously have some names in mind for that and will reach out to them after the newsletter goes out, but if anyone else can think of others who might be good candidates, let me know
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I believe Justin Commu is actually physically in Africa right now, and will be for several months
Clark: Google Sites also offers a planning wiki, which has some features that Google docs lacks https://sites.google.com/site/pmplanningwiki/
7:49 PM Scott: and whta language would this be?
me: Do you know Commu, Tim?
7:50 PM dynamicuno@gmail.com: Yes. I have for several years
me: oh, you brought him in
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Yes, same with Gus Catalano
me: Do me a favor and ask him to keep an eye out for any aid agencies he comes across on the ground and get contact info if possible
7:51 PM do you know what country?
Scott: Clark, I'm able to edit the link you sent. Does that make sense with you?
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Gabarone and Botswana right now
Not sure which of those two he is currently in but they were next on his itinerary
I can let him know to do that
Clark: yes, it is something i sent you a long time ago so you are probably set up as an editor
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Clark I was not able to access it
7:52 PM me: at any rate, I'll add his name to the list of Africa project invitees
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Alright, I'll give him a heads up to look for aid organizations
Do you have a particular focus in mind or just any that he comes across?
me: thanks
Let me send you what we've discussed so far on that front
7:53 PM Clark: scott can you find the tool to add tim to the wiki, i am looking
7:54 PM dynamicuno@gmail.com: Sounds good
Scott: ...ooking
me: long story short, we've looked into things like helping to coordinate charities with potential overlaps that could thus be run more efficiently, such as various bike charities
7:55 PM but mostly, we're interested in compiling a sort of document
7:56 PM that would include various useful pieces of info, such as engineering techniques, and we would think up some sort of incentive program or other method by which to get recipients to copy and redistribute the same document
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Ahh, I see
7:57 PM me: if you tell him that, he'll probably be better able to identify any elements, groups, ideas that would be of use to us
Scott: clark, found out how I can remove my access :) but not add access
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I'll give him the run down
7:58 PM Scott: clark, you figure it out? I see now that 3 have access.
Clark: i found it, and sent tim an e-mail
Scott: * sharing with 3
Clark: inviting him
Scott: got it
in edit page?
Clark: https://sites.google.com/site/pmplanningwiki/system/app/pages/admin/sharing/
7:59 PM Scott: Insufficient privileges
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Yes that's what I received
Clark: ok , i will see if i can make you an owner
dynamicuno@gmail.com: There may be a method to reduce the level of privilege required for editing; I've not used the planning wiki before
8:00 PM so I can't say for certain
Scott: Clark, does the PM Planning wiki show up in a language other than English for a lot of things?
Clark: that is just filler inserted for illustrative purposes by Google
8:01 PM Scott: is it actually a language?
or B.S?
Clark: it is latin
Scott: aye, my latin is a litlte rusty :)
8:02 PM dynamicuno@gmail.com: Lorem Ipsum eh?
me: Gaul is divided into three parts
Clark: veni vidi vicum
me: There, it's like you learned Latin
dynamicuno@gmail.com: lol
Clark: we lawyers use it a lot
ipso fatso
8:03 PM Scott: nice, now I can read the original Iliad
me: senatus populesque romanus
anywho
Scott: agreed, we digress
the google site looks cool
8:04 PM I can foresee it being incorporated into a solution for collaboration
of blogger pm and subprojects
me: I got an e-mail from Matt Palmer today
Clark: anyhow it has some tracking and organizing features that documents lack, and the absence of which proved problematic the last time we used a shared document
Scott: yes, and it seems we can incorporate docs
Clark: there may be better wikis out there
Scott: what did mr. palmer say?
Scott: possibly, but a start is a start
me: he seems to be raring to go
me: perhaps I'll ask him to look into the same question we are in terms of the Google Docs excercise
me: which reminds me
me: perhaps we should compile a doc into which we would put various questions of that sort, and then invite all participants to answer any of them they like?
Scott: i'm all for that
Scott: this is the goal of the project PM group is it not?
me: yes, and I think that would be a good way for us to get access to a great many ideas in an easy fashion while also getting more people involved, all without taking up much time on our part
Scott: i can see the following scenario playing out, let me know if you guys can see this as well. first we take care of the newsletter as this kills many birds with one stone i.e. sets up various sub-groups. second is determining an ideal solution for proper collaboration whatever this is, and finally have each group operate under this so called solution
me: that seems like the most reasonable way to proceed
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Yes. A lot of what we're doing is figuring out how to adapt internet communications to problem solving. What we do once we've figured that out is important too, but the process is a big part of our goal.
Scott: also, i think it would be important to have the newsletter be semi-persistent in the sense that we don't want too long of a period to occur between them, which is why I'm all for holding off on individual discussions of certain people
me: I think every two weeks should work, agreed?
Scott: ok then under the assumption of agreement, we have 3 main near-term tasks (1) the newsletter, (2) finding out best approach to setup each subgroup to operate in and send them on their way, (3) use the newsletter as a means to update ALL under the accomplishments of the various subgroups
Scott: every 2 weeks in more than sufficient in my mind
Scott: in fact, barrett, do you think we can pull off every 2 weeks?
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Do you have a document or a copy of the main email discussing the newsletter? I don't have that one; it may have been part of the discussion before I joined the conversation last week?
me: I'll forward it to you now
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Thanks
Scott: i've updated the task spreadsheet
Scott: we have 4 completed tasks (2 of which I view as not as short-term as the other two)
me: thanks, looking at it now
Scott: the 2 we need to address is the newsletter (and its accompanied group invites) and the best solution for each subgroup to operate under
Scott: i liked
Scott: lied
Scott: also, a blueprint for the free website
me: I'll have newsletter sent out soon enough, may run it by you all one more time before doing so
Scott: feel free to do so
me: so each of us needs to think up those features that our site should have - both basics for now and more advanced for later - and also try to think up some ideas in terms of Google Doc organization
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Alright
Scott: maybe we set the newsletter goal as friday so this way people have the weekend to sit on it
dynamicuno@gmail.com: We'll explore this wiki option
dynamicuno@gmail.com: as well
me: and then we'll compare notes either via e-mail as we proceed or at the next meeting
me: or both
Scott: yup, so other than newsletter, 2 main goals for next week
Scott: is it possible to set up one email address that goes to all 4 of us?
Scott: like a listserv?
me: I would think so
me: or we could just set up a new Google account and each have the password?
Scott: this way on both those subjects we simply can keep one email address specific to project PM network topic such as those
dynamicuno@gmail.com: That may be best
me: that sounds right
Scott: the only problem I could foresee with that is not knowing who is saying what ;)
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Heh
dynamicuno@gmail.com: We can sign our notes
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Or make elaborate drawings for each of us
Scott: arg, such a simple yet effective solution
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Yes, perhaps I shouldn't have used it up so soon
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I'd hate to run out of them now
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Perhaps we'd better go with the elaborate drawings just in case
me: no, we should save those
Scott: plus I was never good at drawing
Scott: even in between the lines
Scott: and color by numbers
dynamicuno@gmail.com: When you say "never good at drawing," in the future simply type "excelled at abstract art"
me: and come to believe it
me: then move to Brooklyn
Scott: yes, my white canvas is amazing art
me: and call in noise complaints on my apartments
Scott: i peed on it once
me: Tim, do the kids still do acid at those rave parties?
Scott: barrett, you should have considered queens, no artsy types there that i know of
dynamicuno@gmail.com: That depends, Barrett, on how publicly accessible this Google Chat thing is
Scott: i thought X was the big thing
me: yeah but it's filled with other sorts of douchebags
me: ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE FOR NOVELTY PURPOSES ONLY
me: there you go
Scott: lol
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Oh well in that case, yes, reams of it
me: chat logs are private
Scott: how much is a ream?
dynamicuno@gmail.com: The other kids, that is. I am in a committed three way relationship with Jagermeister and ecstasy.
me: ick, jagermeister
Scott: concur on jager
Scott: unless i'm too drunk to tell the difference
me: I mean, I'd drink it
dynamicuno@gmail.com: All to the good, it's just more for me
me: I just wouldn't pay for it
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Ah, that's the trick to DJing
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I get paid to drink Jager (pretend that was in italics for emphasis)
Scott: i guess i'm getting old, i like to stick to beer
Scott: i wish i got paid to drink
dynamicuno@gmail.com: It's every bit as good as it sounds
Scott: my liver would be going for a better cause
Scott: if i ever need a liver transplant, we didn't have this conversation
Clark: in my age group, B & B is preferred over Jager
Scott: Bourbon?
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Or Bed and Breakfast
dynamicuno@gmail.com: depending on the age group
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I don't know yours yet Clark
me: bitches and blunts?
Clark: Benedictine & Brandy 50/50
Scott: never heard of the former
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Hmm, neither have I. Let's add that to the action list.
Scott: i have been trying to get into scotch but well it's not me, yet
me: Clark's a lawyer out of Chicago, god knows what the fuck he drinks
Scott: he drinks B&B
me: oh, right
Clark: it comes prebottled, ask for it in any classy bar, sometimes it is good to have black coffee on the side
Scott: clark, do you do ameretto?
me: but probably also other obscure things
Clark: sometimes
Clark: but b & b is less syrupy
me: oh
me: another thing
Scott: what about Drambuie?
me: I mentioned that I had some interesting contacts down here in Dallas
me: which I'd been meaning to restore
Clark: yeah that stuff is great
me: have met this week with a very wealthy fellow whose dad used to get indicted with my dad
Scott: clark, next time you're in NY, we'll have some Drambuie, I actually like that stuff
Scott: barrett, please continue
me: he's now got business interests in Taipei and the mainland, among other things
me: also running an operation out in Hawaii
Scott: pot?
Scott: jk
me: no, but the two of us used to sell pot back in school
me: no, he's got a farm/compound out there
me: Hawaii imports a lot of its food
Scott: yes, and if you ever go there, costco is the best place to get your stuff
Scott: anyways, please continue
me: and its location means that, per calorie, you see the most ridiculous possible expenditure in terms of waste to get it there
me: so the intent is to bring attention to that by building farms in Hawaii
me: additionally, he's involved in quite a few other thins
me: and is interested in Project PM
me: he just went back to Taipei but will be back in a week, I'll talk to him further then
Scott: is there a lot of farmable land in hawaii that is currently un-farmed?
Scott: sounds interesting
me: on the main island, I think
me: I don't know much about it
Scott: i'm definitely interesting in hearing more
me: at any rate, his interests in China involve pharmaceuticals and biomedicine
Scott: i know a lot of the sugar cane factories there have been shut down due to economics
me: yeah, I'll write up a loner account of the possibilities with this guy at the end of the month
Scott: sounds like an excellent soruce
Scott: source
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Sounds great
me: additionally, will soon be having phone meeting with Robert Green regarding everything, including his intentions for getting me a show and raising money for Project PM, etc.
me: had been waiting to get scripts turned in before doing so, so now can proceed
Scott: that's excellent news
me: you know what's even better news?
me: I'm smoking weed out of a ginger ale can and no one can stop me
me: CHECK AND MATE
Scott: not the ideal smoking method
Scott: i've once used tin foil
Scott: desperate times
me: I know, that's how Reagan got alzheimers
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Who knew - tin foil really CAN stop the government
Scott: well played
Scott: stuff in dallas same as in BK?
me: I don't know, got this weed from that Lou Reese fellow and there's no telling what region he picked it up from
me: anything else we need to go over?
dynamicuno@gmail.com: I think that will cover it for me.
Clark: is there a time frame for getting back to the free website lady?
Scott: that's a good question
me: from her standpoint or ours?
me: if the latter, we probably need one
Clark: just to keep it alive, is why i ask
Scott: well our 2 tasks include that so let's make a goal of having something by the end of next week
Scott: also, i'm going to ass to the task list a task for myself of making a joint email account
Scott: any ideas/suggestions on a name?
me: we can compare notes on our ideas for features of the sort she'd handle this week and at meeting and then compile them into a description for her afterwards
me: Scott - maybe just Project PM@gmail.com?
Clark: actually as i recall, there already one called projectpminformation and i think the password is barriticus
me: or whatever
Scott: no arguments there
Scott: ok so projectpminformation it is
Scott: unless any objects and is too lazy to type that out
Clark: google seems to auto-enter those things so its fairly easy
dynamicuno@gmail.com: After 6 years of typing out "Nocturnal Commissions" I'm no longer intimidated by long names
Scott: ok i will confirm the user name and password later and send it out to relevant parties
dynamicuno@gmail.com: Cheers everyone
Scott: Adios
me: Thanks, guys