Re: you defend mass executions
Subject: Re: you defend mass executions
From: Jonathan Farley <lattice.theory@gmail.com>
Date: 5/31/10, 12:48
To: Alexander Hart <alexhart61@gmail.com>



On 31 May 2010 18:22, Alexander Hart <alexhart61@gmail.com> wrote:
sorry for the delay, I hadn't checked this e-mail.

I await your response:


To deal with each point one at a time:  Except in very few cases in a few states,  runaway slaves were not subject to execution.




*** Typical neo-Confederate revisionism.  Your confederates even now claim that blacks were leaders of the original Ku Klux Klan.
 
When it occurred, it was certainly a travesty, but it by no means constituted “mass executions.” As for slave rebellions, there were only a handful, such as the one led by Nat Turner, who killed white children in their sleep.

*** I am not accepting this at face value. Of course, black children *were* brutalized as a regular part of slavery.

 
We are talking about a few hundred slaves at most, rather than millions.

*** Thousands.  The millions were subjected to the threat of summary execution.
 
And of course, it is a complete non-sequitur to say that anyone who does not believe that Confederate Solders should have been executed must support every single practice in the Antebellum South.

*** No, because the neo-Confederates never do anything other than pay lip service to the notion that slavery was even criminal (and invariably, as you do here, blame somebody else for being bad as well, whether it's Lincoln or African kings).
 

As for treason, it is interesting that someone who styles himself a Marxist Revolutionary

*** Which I don't of course. More libel (given that it is supposed to be bad to be a "Marxist Revolutionary").

 
is so concerned about the authority of the federal government.  When a rebellion—if you’d like to call the South’s secession
 that

*** Well, the Confederates of the time did.

—becomes an all out war, it is unheard of in the West to kill surrendering soldiers.


*** You're talking about the practical matter.  The legal fact remains that these soldiers, surrendered or not, committed treason, a capital crime. And no such mercy was shown the completely innocent black residents of the South after the Civil War by those same not-executed Confederate soldiers.


 
One of the most universally condemned acts in the Second World War was Stalin’s murder of Polish officers in Katyn, but even he limited his executions to officers. 


Aside from the moral aspects, the are practical repercussions of such a policy.  If a soldier knows he will be executed, he has no reason to surrender, and will go to extreme measures to avoid capture. 



*** Makes you wonder why the Confederacy's policy was to execute black Union soldiers and their white officers.

 

Prof. Farley’s policies would have led to the deaths not only of millions of Southerners, but also hundreds of thousands or even millions of Northerners as well.



*** Typical neo-Confederate tactic: to make it seem as if these are one person's ideas.  Treason is a capital crime.  It's not my opinion.


 

Comparing Ward Churchill to Charles Murray is spurious.  Dr. Murray is a serious scholar


*** No, he is not.  Any fool can spout racist nonsense and invent statistics to back it up.

 

who worked for a private think tank.  Dr. Churchill worked for a public college.

and advocated mass murder of American citizens.


*** He did not.

 

  He was not fired for his views. 


*** Of course he was: This was stated quite clearly by politicians across the country, and the investigation into his scholarship began only because his political views were aired (years later) by Fox.

 

Rather, his outrageous statements brought attention to his research, which was full of plagiarism and falsification.


*** I do not accept these findings.

 


I use a pen name, because unlike you will face professional repercussions for making these moderate points, while he can vent his hatred for whites without ever worrying about his job. 


*** The exact opposite is the case.  First, nowhere do I vent "hatred for whites": in fact I live in Europe.  Second, my job was under threat precisely for stating historical facts and an incontrovertible counterfactual.

 

Contrary to his claims of oppression, his job was never in jeopardy. 


*** The threats to my job are well documented (and obvious, to boot, given that I did not have tenure at the time).


 

When he chose to leave Vanderbilt on his own accord,



*** Facing death threats and legal intimidation by neo-Confederate groups, which would have gotten even worse had I stayed.
 

he had other universities lining up to get another affirmative action hire. 


 

(If Farley, chooses to respond to this, you can be sure he will mention his undergraduate GPA to prove his qualifications.)


*** You can be sure of it, because you can be sure that your confederates insist that all African-Americans---especially affirmative action hires---are less qualified than whites.


 

Perhaps you received anonymous death threats,


*** Some not anonymous.

 

but I am certain that if the police found out who made them, there would be prosecutions. 


*** I reported them to the police.  The police have done nothing.  You are disproven by reality.

 

I am also certain the police made more of an attempt to find the perpetrators than they did for the people who made death threats against the hotels that were to host the 2010 American Renaissance conference. 


*** Liberals don't do this.  You're lying.