Re: Got the Emails
Subject: Re: Got the Emails
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 4/19/10, 20:03
To: Jacqueline Plavier <JPlavier@msn.com>

Hi, Jacqueline-

Since you're adverse to bookkeeping/organization sort of stuff, would you prefer to just provide your general input on whatever matters you'd like, or perhaps assist in some other capacity? I have a friend who can handle the e-mails/record all the pertinent info on our volunteers, so might have him handle that. Let me know what you think. Also, could you let me know if you do indeed wish to be a member of the legislative network?

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
Jacqueline-

Glad to hear all that (except for the part about you being severely sick). I'll send along the rest of the e-mails and other participant info soon. Again, no rush on getting this tabulated or whatever, just want to clear out my inbox, which is ending up acting sort of like a terribly-organized to-do list.

You're right about keeping those aspects of Project PM to myself, and I'll be selective about whom I talk to about it. 

If you have questions about anything at all, feel free to ask and I'll try to get back to you ASAP.

Thanks,

Barrett Brown


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Jacqueline Plavier <JPlavier@msn.com> wrote:
Barrett,

On the contrary, I wasn't especially put off. I've had a dreadful cold for the past few days.

I'm not even particularly put off by your long term goals, although I'm a little unclear as to what they are. The decline of the nation state has been widely postulated for several decades now. It's always made me slightly uneasy because, for all their flaws, nations tend to be less tyrannical than corporations. Often I've thought, if the nation state did decline, it would be necessary for other social structures to arise to replace some of its functions.

I am, indeed, very interested in the structure of the network you've designed.

Being able to talk with and debate one's adversaries is a wonderful quality. I'm very glad you feel that way about disagreement. Once an anonymous person gave my boyfriend of the moment a subscription to the National Review. For a year, I read every issue. It was eye opening and it didn't turn me into a conservative, but it did give me a greater understanding of why they hold the positions they do.

I guess I just think you should be a little cautious when strangers approach you talking about revolution until you know what they want.

I would still be very interested in working with you. Hopefully I didn't take too long to respond. I'm feeling significantly better now and will probably be something close to my normal self starting on Tuesday.

Jacqueline




On 4/12/2010 2:04 PM, Barrett Brown wrote:
Jacqueline-

I wanted to check and see if you're still willing to assist with Project PM. Although it was clear from your e-mail, and particularly your choices of anecdotes, that you're considerably put off by my thinking regarding what I expect (and hope) to happen over the next few decades and how Project PM and similar efforts can assist in bringing it about, I don't know the extent of your objections. My best guest is that you're disinclined to work with me further. If that's the case, I have a request - would you explain your objection more specifically, either by phone or e-mail, and give me a chance to try to convince you to continue with us?

Although I have a number of people who are willing to serve in the roles that we discussed, I'd prefer to have you doing so. For one thing, you were particularly enthusiastic about our goals and seemed particularly interested in the manner in which the blogger network is specifically designed to achieve some of the more specific of these, and thus are particularly likely to contribute new ideas both big and small.

More importantly, the fact that you've already objected this strongly to what you apparently see as a crucial flaw in my thinking shows you to be particularly inclined to go with your own determinations. That makes you potentially very useful to me as an advisor and similarly useful to the project itself were you to serve on the legislative network. Hopefully, pretty much everyone who joins will be an independent thinker to some unusually great extent, but even so, many may be inclined to agree with me on most things simply because they've already made such determinations or because I'm able to convince them that my view is reasonable. I maintain regular contacts with several of my politic enemies - conservatives of various sorts, mostly - because adversarial criticism can be very valuable, particularly on those rare occasions when it happens to be correct; I was able run a correction recently and thus keep my readers better-informed than most simply because I was alerted to a new development by one of the most intellectually dishonest and fascist-by-sentiment of popular warbloggers, and the development happened to be both relevant and accurate.

Having said all of that, I think I have a reasonably firm understanding of your objection, and likewise think that I could convince you to carry on with Project PM in spite of it - and, of course, you'll have the chance on this occasion and forever after to convince me that I'm wrong or silly or akin to a bunch of self-important anarchists of the sort you've come across or whatever your exact position is on this. At any rate, I would greatly appreciate it if you were to discuss it with me. You certainly don't owe me the chance to try to convince you of anything, but as you acknowledge the importance of what we're trying to do, certainly it would be worth a few minutes more of your time to make sure that you're skipping the chance to help for the right reasons.

All in all, I'm very intent on having you work with me, and would like a chance to convince you to do so.

Thanks,

Barrett Brown
Brooklyn, NY
512-560-2302

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
Howdy again-

Groovy. I wouldn't need you to do anything of a more clerical nature than this stuff, and don't worry about getting it incredibly organized or anything; I mainly just wanted to get all of these messages out of my inbox and get everyone's name, contact info, and skill sets all jotted down in one place for now.

Thanks,

Barrett Brown
Brooklyn, NY
512-560-2302

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Jacqueline Plavier <JPlavier@msn.com> wrote:
Hi, Barrett -

No one's called me Jac in twenty years. Just don't call me Jackie. I'll answer to almost anything else.

I'm just confirming that I got the emails and I'll see if I can set-up some sort of organizational system.

You asked about skills earlier and I thought of a couple of things that you might want to know. I'm not really good at design. I'm a fine artist who paints mainly nudes. My knowledge of anatomy is quite solid. Anyone who experiences seizures while viewing genitalia should use caution if he or she googles my name. In architecture school I struggled in the design courses but had the best grade in the structures class. I can use many of the common graphics programs, so if you need something in a pinch I can probably do it, but graphic skills are common and many people are better at them than I.

Natively, I'm strong in spatial abilities, math and that sort of thing. In terms of experience, I'm strong on language skills. I've taught English abroad and my French is very good. I've taken university level classes at Laval, a French speaking university. They were the regular classes in art history, math and physics, not classes for people learning French.  I've helped French speaking academics put their papers in English. Unfortunately, I'm not good enough to do English to French translation.

I'm really, really weak in clerical skills. You need to know this.

Lately, I've been looking in to returning to school for a second bachelor's in computer science/math.

I've taken classes in drawing comics, although nothing I've drawn has ever been published.

In most contexts I'd mention that I write well, but that's probably redundant in this case.

In order to get by, I've done a lot of things: interior decoration, surface decoration, trompe l'oeil, drapery, grant writing, modeling. There are one or two other things I'll keep to myself for now, but you can say I've had a colorful life.

Jacqueline







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Regards,

Barrett Brown
Brooklyn, NY
512-560-2302