Re: Debate?
Subject: Re: Debate?
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 4/13/10, 19:07
To: Writeatlas@aol.com

Pamela-

The intent was clearly not to simply avoid favoring "one Christian sect over another," as the Founders were generally not big on any Christian sects, being mostly deists. Take a look at the following quotes, of which I have many more; also keep in mind that the Treaty of Tripoli, which passed congress unanimously and was signed into law by John Adams, states plainly that "the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" (italics mine). 

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.

– Thomas Jefferson

How has it happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?

– John Adams

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

– Thomas Paine

Barrett Brown
Brooklyn, NY

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <Writeatlas@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Barrett,
Of course no one answered you.
You penned that ridiculous Johnson piece, who could possibly take you seriously?"
 
And just for knowing,  your premise -- "the Founding Fathers and other revolutionary heroes and their relative distrust of Judeo-Christianity and their secular intent in creating our form of government" -- is faulty. The First Amendment is quite clear that there was to be no establishment of religion. But this was not a rejection of Judeo-Christianity; it was a decision not to favor one Christian sect over another. In any case, I am not interested in debating whether or not they had the intent of forming a secular national government, in the sense of one in which there was no established religion. Obviously that was exactly their intent (not godlessness).
 
Yours in liberty,
Pamela Geller
Editor Publisher, Atlas Shrugs
Executive Director, Freedom Defense Initiative
Executive Director, SIOA, Stop Islamization of America


Author, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America

 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2010 11:54:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barriticus@gmail.com writes:
Hi, Pam-

This is Barrett Brown; I believe you caught my profile of Charles Johnson for Vanity Fair.

For some reason, I'm having a hell of a time trying to get anyone to debate me on the subject of the Founding Fathers and other revolutionary heroes and their relative distrust of Judeo-Christianity and their secular intent in creating our form of government. Some of the same people who are happy to insult me on their blogs (and sometimes on mine) don't seem to be willing to actually engage me on an issue of substance - which is odd, as all of these tribalist war bloggers are obviously quite a bit more brilliant than I and could easily beat me in such a way as to totally discredit me in the eyes of all observers as well as to help highlight the truth of the matter. If I didn't know better, I'd assume that all the fellows you hang around with are cowards who prefer to be able to respond or ignore points at will than to engage in an e-mail debate for publication in full, one in which they'd actually get stuck having to address things they might find inconvenient.

Perhaps you know of someone who'd actually be willing to debate me on this or any other matter? Like you, perhaps?

Thanks,

Barrett Brown
Brooklyn, NY