| Subject: RE: Religion |
| From: "Darleen Click" <darleen@darleenclick.com> |
| Date: 10/27/09, 10:57 |
| To: "'Barrett Brown'" <barriticus@gmail.com> |
Hi Barrett
I will probably tip my hat to Obama for
resisting the UN on this, but you know I did a cursory look through the PW
archives and can’t find a post where it was asserted that Obama WAS supporting
it.
If you point it out, I will include it.
Darleen
From: Barrett Brown
[mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009
9:20 PM
To: Darleen Click
Subject: Re: Religion
Hi, Darleen-
Been busy with my dozen or so enemies lately but will respond to your
last e-mail as soon as I get some free time. Meanwhile, you might want to read
this:
If
you're interested in giving your readers an accurate view of things, you might
want to post something on this, as I seem to recall you guys attacking Obama
for allegedly approving of this anti-free speech nonsense the UN is proposing.
Giving credit where credit is due is a good habit to get into.
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Darleen Click <darleen@darleenclick.com> wrote:
Hi Barrett,
What did I say about atheists, specifically? I didn’t. However, I
still willing to be what you will find from those that spent $9000 for a
feelly-touchy New Age self-styled guru are people who have almost no to none
relationship with what an be described at mainstream Christianity or Judaism.
While they themselves might not describe themselves as atheist (which is an
article of faith itself) they are agnostic in that they don’t believe in
ethical monotheism but are seeking some sort of “spiritual” plane. They reject
God in search of something “more”.
Parents never feel the need to agonize over whether or not their
child should be “forced” to brush his/her teeth or get to choose whether to
bathe or not, wipe his/her butt after toilet or not … but too many parents
sniff they wouldn’t think of “exposing” their child to God or religion until
they are “old enough” to make a choice. It is those kids who become young
adults vulnerable to any weird cultish thing that comes along. They have
nothing to compare it with, indeed they may have picked up from their parents
that mainstream Christians or Jews are something kind of dirty since the
parents were so adamant in avoiding them.
Physical hygiene = good. Moral hygiene = bad.
Of course at this point you might be thinking I’m saying atheists
can’t be moral. I’m not. Atheists are as good and thoughtful and caring as
theists. But their morality is subjective. That is NOT a judgment, it is merely
descriptive.
YOU may write for The Skeptic and many of the writers there are
also skeptical. Believe it or not, being a skeptic, a thinker and even a
scientist is not the exclusive province of atheists. Science is a process.
Science is a tool. Science
attempts to describe the physical world and how it works (and sometimes fails
spectacularly). But it doesn’t occupy the same space as religion or morality or
ethics and it should not try to.
Which is why I pointed you to the Dawkins interview, it shows how
much Dawkins believes his own beliefs about “there is no God” gives him
absolute moral judgment to hold everyone who doesn’t believe as himself as
inferior.
Darleen
From: Barrett Brown [mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009
1:04 PM
To: Darleen Click
Subject: Re: Religion
Hi, Darleen-
First off, I'd
like to apologize for addressing you as "sweetheart" - that was
extraordinarily immature on my part and entirely inexcusable no matter what
issues I may have with you. My mom didn't raise me to behave like that towards
women, or anyone.
Thanks again for
bringing the Dawkins/Hewitt debate to my attention. I don't see anything within
it that relates to the saying about those who disbelieve in God believing
anything, though; is there a particular exchange that you think is somehow
emblematic of that? Perhaps you could write a post on it.
At any rate, that
saying is bunk. Atheists who are generally skeptics, such as myself - I write
for Skeptic, in fact - certainly
don't "believe in anything." We're a notoriously careful bunch. This
is not to say that some atheists don't believe in nonsense and otherwise engage
in sloppy thinking, as some of them obviously do. But to try to single out
atheists as being particularly prone to believing just any little thing that
comes along compared to religious people is, I think, not an assertion that
holds up against even the slightest scrutiny.
On Fri, Oct 23,
2009 at 8:59 AM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
Will do, thanks.
On Fri, Oct 23,
2009 at 8:54 AM, Darleen Click <darleen@darleenclick.com> wrote:
Find a transcript of Hugh Hewitt’s interview of Richard Dawkins
from earlier this week.
From: Barrett Brown [mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009
2:37 AM
To: Darleen Click
Subject: Re: Religion
On Fri, Oct 23,
2009 at 12:23 AM, Darleen Click <darleen@darleenclick.com> wrote:
Shot myself in the foot?
No, I think not, dearest. To paraphrase, those that deny God don’t
believe in nothing, they will believe in anything.
Does the name “Johnny Walker Lindh” mean ring a bell?
Kisses,
Darleen
From: Barrett Brown [mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009
2:27 AM
To: Darleen Click
Subject: Re: Religion
Wow, you really
shot yourself in the foot with this sweat lodge thing. Better luck next post, sweetheart.
On Sat, Oct 17,
2009 at 10:34 PM, Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see how
anything in this paragraph implies a desire to have religion "banned from
the public square altogether." Which clause are you thinking of in
particular?
On Fri, Oct 16,
2009 at 11:11 PM, Darleen Click <darleen@darleenclick.com> wrote:
Barrett,
“We oppose all governmental programs, violations and special
rights for religious individuals, groups and organizations. These include
private school vouchers, organized prayers in public venues, the faith-based
initiatives and laws exempting the religious from abiding by federal and state
civil rights, health and safety laws.”
If you do not abide by this principle of a group you are
affiliated with I will retract my assertion. As I read this paragraph, it is
hostile to faith and organized religion in particular. I am open to your
disabusing me of my conclusion.
Sincerely,
Darleen
From: Barrett Brown [mailto:barriticus@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009
4:56 AM
To: Darleen Click
Subject: Religion
Would you please identify
where I've said or implied that I would "like religion banned from the
public square altogether," as you claimed last night?
Thanks,
Barrett Brown