Re: Your Comic on Charles Johnson
Subject: Re: Your Comic on Charles Johnson
From: Barrett Brown <barriticus@gmail.com>
Date: 10/24/09, 01:59
To: ghost@christmasghost.com

Ghost-

Let me try to explain this in a different way:

1. You claimed that no one ever links to the evidence of McCain's racism when they accuse him of being a racist.

2. I asked you to point out an example of an article in which I have accused McCain of being a racist without also linking to evidence of his racism.

3. You said that this would be fine, but then you asked me for a link.

4. It would seem that you haven't read my articles on McCain and say that you are to busy to "find" them, which is fine.

5. If you haven't read my articles on McCain, then you obviously have no way of knowing that no one ever links to evidence of his racism, since I may very well have linked to evidence of his racism in the articles you didn't read. So, you're making a claim about something that you can't verify.

6. Read number five again.

7. One more time.

8. Imagine I have several houses. You say to me, "Why is it that no one paints the inside their houses blue?" I reply, "Well, you can go in one of my houses and see for yourself that, in fact, the insides of all of my houses are painted blue." You reply, "I'm too busy to go look inside these houses because I'm a corporate strategist." Do you see how that might be silly? Here you are, claiming that none of my houses are blue on the inside, and yet you haven't really been inside any of my houses to verify this. All you'd have to do is go into one house to see that the walls inside are blue, and the very blueness of these walls in this one house should tell you that, contrary to your claim that none of the houses are painted blue inside, at least one is. And then later I could show all the houses and you would find that they are all blue on the inside - which is to say, again,  that you were not only wrong about none of them being blue on the inside, but also extra wrong insomuch as that they are all blue.

9. I'm trying to think of an even simpler way to explain this but I can't. Anyway, the houses are my articles on Stacy McCain and blue interiors constitute links to evidence of his racism.

10. Still, let's do it your way. Below you will find links to a couple of my articles on McCain. You will notice that each of these articles includes links to evidence that McCain is a racist. Now, if you see even one link to evidence of McCain's racism in one of these articles in which I assert that McCain is a racist, that means you are wrong about no one ever linking to evidence of McCain's racism in articles in which it is asserted that McCain is a racist, wouldn't it? And if you were to see a whole bunch of links to evidence of his racism in a whole bunch of these articles, it would mean that you were very, very wrong.

http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/10/18/mccain-composes-non-defense-of-his-blatant-racism/

http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/10/17/a-wild-mccain-appears/

http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/10/13/robert-stacy-mccain-white-supremacist-weirdo/

So, there you go. Just click one of those links, take a look at one of these articles that you've already implicitly characterized as not containing links to evidence of McCain's racism, and then take a look at the links to evidence of McCain's racism. Meanwhile, I'm going to go kill myself.

Regards,

Barrett Brown

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:10 AM, <ghost@christmasghost.com> wrote:
 Barrett,
        Good grief!  A snipe hunt?
 Please, I am a little too busy to find random articles that you have
written...I am a corporate strategist in my "spare" time. If you have the
link and do want to have a productive discussion then please just provide
the link.
                    Regards, Ghost


 Ghost-
>
> You might want to try reading my last e-mail again. I'm asking you to
> prove
> your assertion that no one links to the evidence of McCain's racism when
> they claim that McCain is a racist. To do this, you'll need to go through
> the articles I've written on McCain, find one that doesn't link to
> evidence
> of his racism, and then send me that link. Good luck!
>
> Expectingly Yours,
>
> Barrett Brown
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:08 AM, <ghost@christmasghost.com> wrote:
>
>>  Barrett,
>>          Of course I would have no problem with it...where is it?
>>  Link please....
>>                      Regards, Ghost
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ghost-
>> >
>> > You ask, "why is it that no one that makes these claims ever links the
>> > evidence of it to their "claims"?"
>> >
>> > If someone makes a claim about another person without linking to
>> > supporting
>> > evidence, then that someone has done a terrible and irresponsible
>> thing
>> > indeed. So, since you yourself are claiming that I don't link to
>> evidence
>> > of
>> > my claims regarding McCain when I write about him, you should have no
>> > problem linking to an article I've written on McCain that does not
>> include
>> > a
>> > link to evidence of his racism.
>> >
>> > I look forward to your prompt and successful citation.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Barrett Brown
>> > Brooklyn, NY
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM, <ghost@christmasghost.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Barrett,
>> >>        No problems, I understood the minute I saw the "Mr.Ghost" that
>> >> there was merely a misunderstanding.I too have a very disorganized
>> inbox
>> >> thanks to 'to much to do' as I'm sure you are experiencing also.
>> >>  Frankly I am surprised that an accomplished man such as yourself
>> would
>> >> say, to quote you, "I admire Johnson for taking a stand against those
>> >> whom
>> >> he deems to be in the wrong."
>> >>  Frankly the operative phrase there is "he deems". Last time I
>> checked
>> >> Charles was neither a God nor especially intuitive.....let's not
>> confuse
>> >> a
>> >> raging ego and paranoia with intuition. Perhaps it's what you want to
>> >> hear
>> >> because of your established political beliefs, but it still doesn't
>> make
>> >> him right.
>> >>  My personal experience with Charles was quite unpleasant. I found
>> him
>> >> to
>> >> be shockingly narcissistic and idiotic and, frankly I found it
>> >> surprising
>> >> to say the least.It certainly didn't live up to the hype.
>> >>  Now about Mr. McCain....why is it that no one that makes these
>> claims
>> >> ever links the evidence of it to their "claims"? It's very easy to
>> call
>> >> someone a racist [sadly] however the actual description of a racist
>> is
>> >> quite different from what way too many people have been throwing
>> around
>> >> lately. For instance Charles ,I'm sure, would be considered a racist
>> >> merely for disagreeing with Obama....if he ever did.That's all it
>> takes
>> >> in today's world.....which I find quite disturbing and sad.
>> >>  It demeans what people have actually suffered under real racism and
>> >> instead turns a "sticks and stones" moment into a drama.....a racial
>> >> drama. Which is such good cover for some really disturbing and
>> dishonest
>> >> behavior on the part of our politicians.
>> >>  Can you honestly say that you would have been comfortable with Bush
>> >> using
>> >> these same techniques?
>> >>  Of course not.....no decent person would.
>> >>  And then you really go off the rails with this comment which I truly
>> >> hope
>> >> you will reconsider: "I have actually bothered to look into the
>> evidence
>> >> whereas you have not, and I suspect that you wouldn't care even if
>> you
>> >> had."
>> >>  And you are upset with me and/or TFMo for teasing Johnson? You just
>> >> accused me [or him] quite unfairly, I might add, of being either a
>> >> racist
>> >> or a racist sympathizer.
>> >>  I am a member of the DAR, does this mean that to you I am anti
>> British?
>> >>  Isn't all of this labeling rather silly and pointless in the end?
>> >> Charles
>> >> has made his bed all by himself, no one forced him to start stabbing
>> >> people in the back with whom he formerly enjoyed mutual ties of
>> respect.
>> >> If his issues with people were actually based on reality and not
>> >> political expediency then everyone could and would take him
>> seriously.
>> >> But as it is they are not...he is merely being a parasite. The old
>> dog
>> >> died , time to jump on the new one.
>> >>  And it isn't working in case you haven't noticed.
>> >>  The old saying that "you sleep with dogs you get fleas" comes to
>> mind,
>> >> only in this case i would advise you to step away from the carcass
>> >> formerly known as LGF before you find yourself wearing a pleather
>> >> "biker"
>> >> vest with a lizard logo on the back.......
>> >>  In the end I can say that I follow one important rule and I have
>> found
>> >> that you really can never go wrong with it: "It's not who is
>> >> right...it's
>> >> what's right."
>> >>  Think about that and then examine Charles' behavior...you seem like
>> a
>> >> decent man and I would be surprised if you did not reconsider your
>> >> position.
>> >>  And as for the art work, I am also an artist and trust me, you just
>> >> don't
>> >> do that to someone's art.....it's pretty common knowledge.
>> >>                                  Regards, Ghost
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  Ghost-
>> >> > I just realized that you're a different person than the fellow who
>> did
>> >> the
>> >> > cartoon, as well as a female. Apologies for the mix-up; I've got a
>> >> very
>> >> disorganized inbox over here.
>> >> >
>> >> > At any rate, good luck with your campaign against me. Let me know
>> if
>> >> you
>> >> need any material.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Barrett Brown
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Barrett Brown
>> <barriticus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Mr. Ghost-
>> >> >> Obviously, you have every right to say anything you'd like about
>> me,
>> >> and
>> >> >> you may publish this correspondence as well if you think that my
>> act
>> >> of
>> >> parodying your cartoon constitutes some great crime against art or
>> >> civility
>> >> >> or whatever it is that you think I am guilty of and are of the
>> >> opinion
>> >> that
>> >> >> this exchange will help to support whatever contention you're
>> trying
>> >> to
>> >> make. I hope you'll publish the entire exchange, though - if I'm
>> truly
>> >> in
>> >> >> the wrong, the full context will help your case.
>> >> >> But I am truly astonished that you think the act of parodying
>> >> someone's
>> >> work is some unconventional or evil thing. Let me walk you through
>> this
>> >> one
>> >> >> more time:
>> >> >> 1. You did a cartoon making fun of Charles Johnson, which is of
>> >> course
>> >> your
>> >> >> right.
>> >> >> 2. I considered the cartoon to be ridiculously unfair and frankly
>> >> misleading insomuch as that McCain is very clearly a white
>> supremacist
>> >> (and
>> >> >> not particularly funny insomuch as that it hinges largely on
>> Johnson
>> >> being,
>> >> >> like, a baby who wets his baby diaper).
>> >> >> 3. I downloaded a copy of your cartoon and altered it in order to
>> >> turn
>> >> it
>> >> >> into a parody of the situation.
>> >> >> 4. I sent a copy of this parody to you, McCain, and Johnson. I did
>> >> not
>> >> profit from it or even publish it, although it would be totally legal
>> >> for me
>> >> >> to have done so thanks to Fair Use - you know, that legal doctrine
>> >> which
>> >> >> allows you to take the intellectual property of others, such as
>> >> Snoopy
>> >> and
>> >> >> the Jawas, and employ them in your own ham-fisted attempt at
>> satire.
>> >> 5.
>> >> You went fucking nuts.
>> >> >> Regarding Johnson and McCain - I admire Johnson for taking a stand
>> >> against
>> >> >> those whom he deems to be in the wrong. McCain is clearly in the
>> >> wrong
>> >> -
>> >> >> that he wrote for a white supremacist outlet and posted links to
>> the
>> >> neo-Nazi site overthrow.com, for instance, constitutes pretty clear
>> >> evidence that he is himself a racist. All of the stuff he wrote in
>> >> defense
>> >> >> of slavery doesn't really help much, either. There is, in
>> addition,
>> >> another
>> >> >> incident that I have recently discovered and will be revealing
>> soon,
>> >> and
>> >> >> which goes beyond simply holding distasteful opinions. Suffice to
>> say
>> >> that
>> >> >> am in a better position than you are to characterize the fellow
>> >> insomuch
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> that I have actually bothered to look into the evidence whereas
>> you
>> >> have
>> >> >> not, and I suspect that you wouldn't care even if you had. At any
>> >> rate,
>> >> I
>> >> >> take responsibility for the charges I make, as I make these
>> charges
>> >> under my
>> >> >> own name and expose myself to the consequences. You do not.
>> >> >> People such as yourself are not interested in getting things
>> right;
>> >> you
>> >> are
>> >> >> interested in getting things done.
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Barrett Brown
>> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM, <ghost@christmasghost.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>  Barrett,
>> >> >>>            I realize that you are not an artist, so perhaps you
>> >> would
>> >> >>> have no way of knowing that you just don't take someone's
>> >> >>> artwork and deface it...virtually or otherwise.
>> >> >>>  It's just not done.
>> >> >>> Or at the very least, if you feel you must do it, be funny about
>> it.
>> >> Your
>> >> >>> "parody" was pathetic attempt to carry water for a vile and
>> >> disgusting
>> >> little man who wouldn't know the meaning of honesty or decency if it
>> >> jumped up and bit him in the ass. And it made me very curious; why
>> >> you,
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> all people, would you waste your time and energy carrying water
>> for
>> >> Mad
>> >> >>> King Charles is beyond me.
>> >> >>>  Surely the monetary problems at HuffPo would be a more pressing
>> >> issue?
>> >> >>>  Or perhaps you could advance your own career by doing some
>> >> >>> investigative
>> >> >>> journalism and expose the corruption that is right under your own
>> >> nose....
>> >> >>>  ACORN ring any bells for you?
>> >> >>>  Journalists like you give the profession a very bad name, and
>> >> people
>> >> >>> are
>> >> >>> going to remember this...all of it. People like myself will make
>> >> sure
>> >> of
>> >> >>> that, and it won't be a difficult job. I realize that since you
>> >> weren't
>> >> >>> even aware of how crass it is to defile someone's artwork,perhaps
>> >> you
>> >> also aren't aware of the huge backlash that is coming your way....
>> >> >>>  Perhaps you should spend a little more time worrying about your
>> own
>> >> >>> career and less about carrying water for a certifiable idiot.
>> >> >>>  Just a thought....
>> >> >>>                        Fondly, Ghost
>> >> >>>  Howdy!
>> >> >>> > I liked your recent comic strip, but thought the text could use
>> a
>> >> little-reworking. I've attached my version here.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Barrett Brown
>> >> >>> > Brooklyn, NY
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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